Housing as a Human Right: Lessons from Europe

The May East Bay Gray Panthers Speaker Meeting!

Purely virtual - from your home via Zoom. Recording is here. Transcript and Chat log are below.

Housing as a Human RightInternational Social Housing Festival

Lessons for the Bay Area from the 4th International Social Housing Festival


1:30 Welcome:

Convener: Betsy Morris, PhD


International Social Housing FestivalJoin us for a discussion led by EBGP co-convenor Betsy Morris, on the 4th International Social Housing Festival in Barcelona last June, where she represented the National Council of Gray Panther Networks.

The Festival is anchored by Housing Europe, the European Federation of Public, Cooperative and Nonprofit Housing Developers established in 1988. It is now a network of 42 national and regional federations, as well as 15 partnering organisations in 31 countries responsible for 25 million homes - about 11% of the existing housing stock in Europe. 

Is a similar "big tent" federation possible in the Bay Area? Can we also grow a permanent stock of housing choices outside of speculative real estate markets?  Join representatives of similar stakeholder groups (e.g. EBHO, Tenants Together, BAHFA, ACCE, HAWG, UC Berkeley) to respond to our findings.

40: Powerful Legacy, Powerful Future. East Bay Housing Organizations (EBHO) logo inside large number with text wrapped around.Part of East Bay Housing Organization (EBHO)'s Affordable Housing Month, celebrating 40 years of advocacy, organizing, and mutual support in the Alameda-Contra Costa County area, Berkeley-Oakland and beyond. EBGP is a proud member of EBHO. See other events here.

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Chat log:

00:42:14 Kiki Poe | EBHO | she/hers: https://ebho.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/AHM-Events-2024-8.5-x-11.pdf
00:42:44 Kiki Poe | EBHO | she/hers: https://bayareahousingforall.org/
00:44:07 Kiki Poe | EBHO | she/hers: https://ebho.org/study-room/
00:44:28 Kiki Poe | EBHO | she/hers: https://ebho.org/membership/
00:44:50 Kiki Poe | EBHO | she/hers: can reach out to me if you have any questions! [email protected]
01:02:05 Norma J F Harrison: realtors, regardless their relation to the members and non-member realtors -  speak excellenent capitalism - starting with the
01:02:27 Norma J F Harrison: Declaration of Independence
01:02:59 Norma J F Harrison: and the Constitution of this Country and one after another others
01:04:38 Norma J F Harrison: Telling lies is the basic political necessity - witness Obama - didn't mean it to be lies, sort of - it just works out that way under the US social structure
01:05:02 Norma J F Harrison: starting with its racism and slavery.
01:07:11 Norma J F Harrison: Rent is theft.  There is no such think as affordable housing.
01:07:52 Art Persyko: Private equity is a voracious and destructive set of inventors who care nothing about housing for people, only for profit (similarly, Private Equity aka PE, invests only for profit not to help people in many sectors:  health care, housing and others)
01:08:35 Norma J F Harrison: 144 countries have declared Palestine a state - and on we go...
01:09:03 Art Persyko: (I meant to say “investors” not “inventors” in my chat entry about PE)
01:17:37 Bruce Wolfe, MSW (he/they): SF Community Land Trust has several zero equity coops
01:25:18 Norma J F Harrison: Has Betsy's magnificent presentation referenced the social housing caused by the immigrant political influence - left - in the early 20th century -     ?absolutely destroyed by the US social structure - profit, anti-communist-ism
01:32:09 Norma J F Harrison: Chewing off little bits of the social structure for us  is what leads to the salvation by STalin - he just DID it - housing for everyone!   Fidel as well.  Communism is scary - to our Owners - so they bomb - murder - us
01:34:07 Art Persyko: Besides joining Tenants Together, what else would you suggest (as a priority) for areas of activism (by Gray Panther networks and other activists here) in creating more affordable housing?
01:41:05 Art Persyko: Would you put a link in the chat to that Housing Europe Conference?
01:41:27 Raines Cohen, EBGP Boardmember: https://www.housingeurope.eu/
01:45:27 Art Persyko: Social Housing in Vienna is one of the most successful models of affordable housing in making housing affordable to all and a public common good.  (E.g. there is little or no homelessness in Vienna)  It started in the “Red Vienna” movement of the 1930’s I’ve heard.  California has had some state legislation introduced for social housing in California. Where does that stand now?
01:48:46 Betsy Morris, EBGP co-convener: Dominque Walker was part of the group of mothers who took over and made an empty house their home and forced the corporate owner to sell to them. She isa  member and works  with ACCE the organizing group. She now lives in Berkeley in an apartment building owns by a Community Land Trust and is an elected member of the Berkeley Rent Board.
01:49:28 Betsy Morris, EBGP co-convener: Yes, thank you Dominique!
01:51:44 Norma J F Harrison: el encuentro
01:55:41 Art Persyko: What tenant protections are under threat or being taken away in Berkeley?  Rent control?
01:55:46 Dominique Walker: [email protected]
01:57:09 Raines Cohen, EBGP Boardmember: Typo fix: [email protected]
01:57:38 Art Persyko: EastBayTenants.com?
01:59:02 Norma J F Harrison: Tenant Protections   Tenant Protection Ordinance | Berkeley Rent Board (berkeleyca.gov)
02:01:49 Margot Smith: Reagan cut public housing, and we are still suffering from this.
02:05:56 Willie Phillips: Have to jump!
02:06:14 Arlene Hipp: Take care Willie
02:06:52 Art Persyko: Homelessness spiked when Ronald Regan became President of the US.  I understand he cut the budget for HUD (Housing and Urban Development Department). I believe his prior closure of the state mental hospitals (when he was California’s governor) and the promise of mental health services in the counties was broken. So many mentally ill people wound up in prisons and in the streets.  THAT is my understanding of Ronald Regan’s contribution to the problem of homelessness and lack of affordable housing in the US.
02:07:21 Willie Phillips: Great work Arlene & Betsy
02:18:36 Julia Cato: Tax the Rich! and then start collecting the taxes from them for a change.
02:18:51 Art Persyko: A national strategy could also divert money from things like military spending to instead spending our tax money on human needs such as housing.
02:19:14 Norma J F Harrison: If we get a communist government, , as in 1915 we get out of the profiteers' wars, don't have debt to buy the wars, and make the social order by which we all take care of us all - Stalin-ism
02:21:38 Norma J F Harrison: as was done in 1915 - by our great enemy
02:24:27 Richard: Have to leave Thanks for the ideas...
02:28:30 Norma J F Harrison: [email protected]
02:30:01 Raines Cohen, EBGP Boardmember: Sign up at https://www.EastBayGrayPanthers.org/ to get invites to our future events
02:30:14 Jean H.: jean from Parker St co-op  [email protected]
02:30:30 Norma J F Harrison: Marx explained that 'home ownership' by any present method, is a burden
02:30:57 Kiki Poe | EBHO | she/hers: Have to jump off, thank you so much and Betsy I'll follow up to get more info on presenting to EBHO about endorsing the Tenants Bill of Rights. Great conversation and love learning from all of you!
02:35:16 maria sol: Together WE CAN!!!!
Come UNITY!!!!!!!!💃
02:35:55 Julia Cato: We have to get of Costa Hawkins also so that we can make rent control universal in each city; right now in Berekely only rental property built before 1980 is covered by rent control.  "Benigh" neglect has succeeded in reducing the number of units slowly but surely.  We also need to abolish or amend the Ellis Act, which allows landlords to evict everybody because they are "going out of business."  LL's can't evict because they are selling a building, but they can evict if they are going out of business as landlords.  Go figure.
02:36:06 Art Persyko: Sorry but I have another commitment and have to leave.
02:36:45 Pamela White: Congratulations!
02:37:31 Gabrielle Pearce: im from Pyatok Architects - thanks for having me!
02:38:09 maria sol: (4,000 vacancies in Berkeley...yet Not "available..."...🙃🙃🙃)
02:39:39 Michael-David (Michigan): I'm Michael-David BenDor, a co-convener of the Public Citizens of Washtenaw County (formerly the Gray Panthers) and a member of the Senior Housing Subcommittee of the National Council of Gray Panther Networks. I’ve recently learned that issue of property taxes must be part of understanding housing crsis.  New York City uses property taxes to fund the services necessary for so many people to live closely togther. In my sister’s case, her rent under the city’s rent control laws, is less than her share of her building’s property tax. Have you included this issue in your financial analysis? If she was only paying her share of the property tax, she could not have afforded to live in her apartment since 1978.  (She still pays $712 a month, but an assessment of her fair share based on the number of apartments and the taxes of her building is over $1000 a month.)
02:41:30 Norma J F Harrison: I have abated a cancer - was stage 4 ovarian - using turmeric - a pill-size content a day
02:42:36 Gabrielle Pearce: i'm needing to leave to call and get back to work. I appreciate the opportunity to learn from y'all - thank you!
02:42:53 Arlene Hipp: Great to see you Gabrielle
02:43:09 Gabrielle Pearce: Reacted to "Great to see you Gab..." with ❤️
02:43:10 maria sol: What's the Book on Poverty???
02:43:30 Norma J F Harrison: if you want the content of the chat, run your cursor over it, copy it, paste it onto your 'word' or wherever you keep it]

Transcript (automated, approximate)

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We're going to start off and I just like to welcome everybody and I like to thank you for the introductions.

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I like to thank you for the introduction because it kind of gives me a handle. And we are here in the month of May for a affordable housing month.

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Yay, this is also election year people spread the word. Wow for barons, we need that to pass through.

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So with that being said I like to welcome everybody individual organizations that you're representing to this meeting because this is really an important meeting.

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We really need to begin to better because we need to make some traction on things happening. We all know that there is a crisis.

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We, point in time countess occurred. January, I think it was the 25.th

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And it went down, but not. It went out, but not substantially. And we also have to be mindful of the fact of the weather.

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When the count happened. And so with that being said, we want to keep making inroads in organizing, organizing people.

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Or housing, having housing as a human right. We want to take away. The monetization of housing here in North America.

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And so I'm gonna pass the mic on. To then.

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Okay, thank you, Arlene.

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Sure thing.

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Appreciate that. Thanks for moderating this. This is like a lovely intro. I just want to offer everybody a big warm Ep Ho, East Bay Housing Organizations, welcome.

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And a huge thanks to you guys, the East Bay Gray Panthers and the other Panthers that are here today for pulling this together and for what you're about to present.

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We're really excited that this is part of affordable housing month this year. We at, have been for 40 years working with our members to produce and preserve and protect affordable housing throughout the East Bay.

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And you know all of us in the East Bay have certainly been touched by this crisis. We're really familiar with the problem, but we're not always sure what the solutions might be.

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And this is really solvable, but the only way we can do that is with people power. So.

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1st off, we'd like to start by celebrating our wins. There's been millions of dollars raised for affordable housing.

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This year, new affordable homes built and passage of tenant protections. So those are huge winds that we're thrilled about.

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And that's part of our celebration this, this month. And if the other part of our celebration this month are all the other events happening.

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I'll put in the chat a link to the other events that are free, the part of the celebration this month.

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So you guys can, oh, thanks Kiki. Kiki already put it in the in the chat so you can see what other events are happening and hopefully you can enjoy some of those but also the other things we want to share with you something that we could all sort of engage in right now in our lean you were starting to talk about this was 2 of our major ballot measure campaigns were gearing up for the 2020

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4 ballot. 1st off is the 9 county Bay Area regional bond project. It's gonna raise 10 to 20 billion for new affordable homes across the region.

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I see some nodding head so I think you guys know what I'm talking about. The second ballot measure would be to reduce the voter approval threshold for affordable housing.

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Bonds to a simple majority down from the 2 thirds required right now. So it also looks like you guys are familiar with this, but, we'll also put a link in the chat for, the Bay Area.

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Housing for all so you can get engaged as well and help push these measures through and get them approved in 2020 this year.

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That is that ACA one. Is that the measure?

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I think that's the name of it. Kiki, do you know if that's the name of it or Jeff?

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ECA one is the name of the bill that would put it on the ballot. It hasn't been on place so it doesn't have a proposition number yet.

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Okay, thank you.

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Thanks, Joe.

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So we'll put the Bay Area housing for all.org. Link in the chat for you so you can follow that as it develops.

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We also want to highlight for you the, study room. You can go to a steady room.

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Will also put this link in the chat. You can go there to learn more about the history of our housing crisis.

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Also about the work that's being done to address it. And lastly, I just want to invite everybody who's not already a member of EPO to join us as a member.

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It's a wonderful organization and we would just love for you to become active. Incredibly active group. And you're probably already members, but if there any of you that are not, we'd love for you to become a member and get active with our committees and the link is just Kiki just put that in the chat.

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And thank you, Kiki. And if you guys haven't met Kiki yet, she's our chief operating officer at Evo, our fabulous Kiki and she's here today.

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She's also a wealth of information as is Jeff. Who oh yeah, Kiki saying reach out to her if, you need anything and, Jeff is or chief legislative strategist.

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So he, is another great resource. So anyway, hope you enjoyed the event. And thanks again, Arlene, for, moderating this.

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Thank you so much, Ben. I really appreciate that information. And really kind of bringing this up to speed on what's going to be happening this year because we have some really important things that are going to be happening this year.

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And we want to, we really want people power. As you said, we want people power to back these things because we need movement.

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And the only way we have more open is with people power. We have to participate. So with that being said, my, My next introduction is going to be.

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Art from the San Francisco Bay. San Francisco Great Panthers and art oh boy I went to San Francisco I'm just gonna say this quickly I went to the meeting and I was just so So.

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Impressed with the education I got just by attending meetings. Sometimes just by attending meetings, you get educated on so many things.

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And so I'd like to bring art on and so that he could share some information with us. Alright.

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Thank you, Arlene. Yeah, I was brought on to. Provide an introduction to one of our major presenters today and that is Betsy Morris.

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She's the co convener of the Berkeley East Bay Grey Panthers as many of you know She and I are also members of the National Council, Great Panther Networks, Issues Committee.

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As well as the National Council of Great Panther Network Senior Housing Subittees. Both of which meet monthly with great panther members from all over the country.

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Betsy as you will if you don't already know that you will find out is a very well-informed advocate for an activist on housing.

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Issues and with her extensive background activism and expertise has provided valuable input. To a National Council of Great Panther networks, gray paper.

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On the US nursing home crisis, which we put out. Previously and is now involved in the effort to create another gray paper this time on our national affordable housing crisis.

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She's traveled far and wide, especially in Europe with her partner and coconvenor Raines Cohen.

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To gather information and study examples of how people and organizations in other countries innovate to create affordable housing where they live.

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And if Betsy is ready, I am honored to present to you now Betsy Morris.

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Drumroll, please.

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Okay. Benson, do you hear the drum roll? Okay.

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We might be, I know she said she had some internet, issues going on, which is that.

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I could.

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Is, available.

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You have to mute me.

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Might be 2 different. Vocal voice.

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Sources right now so shut they should shut down one

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So Rains has 2 on, he needs once so he doesn't get the echo. Yeah.

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Well, we're waiting, there's a few other members of the National Council, Great Panther networks here.

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I want to recognize Carol Crookes of Berkeley, Grey Panthers. Richard Solomon of Santa Barbara Grey Panthers and Michael David Bendor.

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Of is it the Ann Arbor, Great Panthers? Please correct me if I'm wrong about that, Michael.

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We're technically the. Public citizens of Washington. Having changed your name to try to get more diverse population.

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Did you hear me, Art?

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Yes, thank you, Michael. Yeah, these bodies, the, the national council, great power networks have been meeting for several years.

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The issues committee. 1st and then the senior housing subcommittee group out of the the emerging COVID pandemic when it was noticed that people in nursing homes were dying in great numbers.

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You're gonna show this. Show me first, st okay. All right. I think we're ready.

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We can hear you, Betsy.

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Yeah. The technical details of multi devices. I should say, and 1st off, I want to thank.

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With this way? Okay, I wanna thank. Arlene who is been a gray panther member for I don't know a few years.

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And has become a partner in crime. She refuses to serve on the board, but is instead active with poor people's campaign and and and advisory boards all over the country i mean i'm always in awe of the connection she has made and I'm also just incredibly grateful to have found a kind of sister from another mother, soul mate, intellectual, just, just, fabulous.

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And she knows how to run a meeting, especially a large public event. So, I just wanna say.

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Carol Crookes is my co-convener and I'm incredibly grateful for her because as verbose as I am, she is cuts to the quick.

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She cuts. She's good. And I also just need to say that my partner, my husband Rains Cohen is my tech support.

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And I guess sometimes my punching bag for frustrations, but I want to thank him enormously for getting this complex setup.

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And we'll just say that. It's it's a privilege to have so many. Members of the affordable housing.

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Month that should say affordable housing month and I'm grateful that EPO is here that said this is purely the work of myself, not, to blow myself up, but just to say none of the other organizations except for my Grey Panthers chapter and the National Council.

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Has endorsed has has they are the folks who've given me this platform to share this information with all of you and I'm very, very grateful for that.

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So, but we're not affiliated directly with EBHO. This is not an EBHO presentation.

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And the only people I'm speaking for is myself in my chapter. But I'm hoping very soon we'll have other, other allies as a result of this.

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So I'm going, rains is going to be changing to our next slide. This is the The title of this talk is Housing as a Human Right.

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Lessons from Europe and the International Social Housing Festival. 1st I'm just gonna.

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So next, I should say, what are we at, Rreens? Okay. The, I'm sorry, go back.

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I've got 2 devices here. I am so high tech. So, There.

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No. Okay, so. All of this, this is a work in progress very much, but what do we mean by housing as a human right?

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Well, when the United Nations was founded, established in San Francisco. The, a statement of housing as a human right is part of the universal declaration of human rights of the UN.

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And signed by many signatories and that's important because this is something many countries including our own signed on to this declaration.

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But, and under international law. Treaties that the US has signed. Everyone has the right to adequate housing.

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Adequate housing is more than just a roof over one's head. It includes security of tenure.

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Written, which means that you know how long you have it for, protection against forced depictions and availability of service.

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These languages are actually from UN documents. And just to say that, it's, it's an aspirational document and who's going to make it happen?

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We are, not governments, even though they signed in our name. So a few years back, 2017, 2,018, our Greg Panthers chapter convened a public meeting about the human rights civil rights of the unhoused.

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And it was attended by some of the incredible visionary leaders. Around the Bay Area but one several in particular who had started the here their camp here in Berkeley.

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They had started in San Francisco and been pushed out and pushed out and moved multiple times. And they were the founders of 1st they came for the homeless.

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And 1st they came for the homeless came to our meeting with. With Michael John Civil Liberties Institute, Nicole John.

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Of an established. Advocacy organization that was behind that supported the UN and this this human right. Housing is a human right.

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And Fagan Ginger came and spoke to 90 people. And as a result of that, we.

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Great Panthers and met. In the vault cafe with 14 other people, most of whom were from different homeless housing, advocacy, leadership, or developers of homeless housing.

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And it was an incredible privilege to be there because what I heard from, that was what was essentially an 8 part charter.

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Of what we eventually created. Jointly. Called the Bay Area Landless Peoples Alliance.

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Which survived. Very minimally under COVID, 5 of the leaders of.

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1st they came for the homeless died. In the early part of 2020. Not from COVID, but.

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From living on the streets. But, still exists as a Facebook page. And.

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And is closely tied with our work with. Hog or the homeless action working group in Oakland, also known as Shelter Oak.

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And I say this because it was really the work with the unhoused. The right the concept of the right to land the right to have a self-governing to be neighbors and create a real mutual care housing with each other, whether it's intense or vehicles.

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Or sitting on a sidewalk that these are parts of our human rights. And voices that we don't hear in most of the debates about funding or even tenant protections.

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So it's important to me and I, and our great panther chapter that the voices of, every every group that's holding up for the right to live the right to be housed.

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In in a in a community for example it's very important that this be part of the conversation coming up.

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Today we don't have representatives from the wood street commons or here there which failed but Wood Street Commons is part of 3 or 4 self-help.

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Encampments that are working on their own. Concept of housing and will be part of the public debate.

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So next. Thanks. I know that was long when did. So this next slide, which I can't.

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There it is. I don't, this is, this is part of the concept of housing as a human, right?

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That I am encountering. There's lots of, but that come from the official organization behind.

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The social housing festival. So affordability, habitability, cultural adequacy, sustainability, location.

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Within reach of vital amenities, accessibility, security of tenure, and availability of services.

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So I encourage any of you to do the command shift. For or command shift 3 and capture these images so you might be able to.

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We'll be posting it in the video afterwards. Okay, thanks. So no need. Don't feel like people have to write everything down.

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It's huge. So what do we have here in the US? Well, this is my professional opinion.

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I do have a degree. And spent many years working more formally in in the professional capacity and in trying to understand our housing policy and and how housing powers and policies about the poor.

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In particular we have 75 years 1934, I think. Various acts were passed in the depression under FDR and in 1,937 we had a housing policy that was actually pretty good, but we have what we have now today.

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75 years of proposals for stable housing and the rights of tenants corrupted, co-opted.

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By conservative segregationist real estate associations and their lobbyists. And Let me just pause. A number of people joining us.

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Our realtors or real estate agents and I'm incredibly grateful that you want to be part of this conversation.

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But the people who represent you, the National Association of Realtors, and the California Association of Realtors have publicly admitted to their practices.

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Racist and sometimes illegal practices to undermine fair housing law in California. And nationally. They have apologize.

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You can go to their websites and see those apologies. I, this is not the best representation, but if you, there is a new entity modeled after the National Realtors Party, the California Realtors Party.

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Which despite their apologies. Exists and to. As a group to put forward laws. That protect the rights of homeowners.

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And protect the rights of the property, what is it, the to increase their the value of their homes.

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So if you know how the rhetoric goes. For opponents of affordable housing. Or any kind of you know, rights for the homeless.

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Preserving property values is used by the realtors to justify any number of pieces of propaganda that that I 1st became aware of them.

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Because they are funders. To destroy Topa tended opportunity purchase act. They are continually spending millions of dollars.

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Hundreds of millions to lobby. Against rank control expansion. Of, you know, it's very clear they have been bought they already designed the realtors associations designed the redlining maps.

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They used them informally. And then the federal government and banks asked for copies of them and so this is a lineage That is, I just, I'm gonna say it.

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We say we have opponents, but These are hundreds of millions of dollars here in California. To prevent the kinds of housing justice.

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Or just how write to housing that. Certainly many of us would like to see. It's.

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So, 45 50. What is this number? We are in a time of great opportunity, although it is in time of crisis.

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45% of Californians are now renters. 55% are homeowners. This is the highest number of renters and the lowest number of homeowners.

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That that California has ever seen and it's it's it's we that's part of Oh, I'm looking in the wrong place.

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I like to look at you all, not my own presentation. I've been looking at this for a long time.

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Yeah, 45 to 50. So this is an opportunity. And. You know, there've been, I know there are flyers all over California calling for tenants rights.

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Especially after COVID when new rights were established, but now they're gone. And the evictions are already starting up again.

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This is one petition, this is one ballot proposition in Berkeley. Berkeley has tended to operate as a freewheeling of independent agent.

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And I'm saying here now as someone who supports this petition. And we have to stop doing it one city at a time.

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This is a movement. We need to create. I'm getting my rant on.

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This talk is about saying why we need to talk to each other, collaborate. Build up structures that are Continually working.

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To create a new paradigm. And a new vision. And this is what I learned in. Europe.

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This just happens to be one of the recent rallies, Grey Panthers. Myself and and this is with one of the groups we're a member of the Poor People's Campaign Nell and is one of the leadership.

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And this is our own wonderful Arlene. I don't know their pictures.

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We were at the Wood Street Cup. Yeah, I need to interject. We were at the Wood Street Commons one year anniversary.

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And that's what that's what we were attending.

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Thank you. Of their eviction. Yeah. And it was a great and lively event.

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And they're having another event. We can talk about it later, but June. 14, th I think.

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All right, so I while I'm while I'm learning and catching up with various California coalitions, particularly the Social Housing Coalition out of Southern California.

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This popped up i don't know i don't know who sent it to me or why it showed up but you know the ways of the internet knows So the International Social Housing Festival was held last June.

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In Barcelona, Spain. And thanks to a great. Set of wonderful circumstances. And my husband knowing how to work plain credits.

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This was a free event. Just had to get there and I was able to get there. And in the process, I, Got the in.

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Thank you, Great Panthers for letting me represent the National Council at this event. It just gave me a kick to have that title.

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2,000 participants, people from 87 countries. And it was hosted by the city. Of Barcelona.

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What I discovered among the highlights Let's go this. Okay, it was the 4th such festival.

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I'd never heard of it before, but what I had heard of is that it was inspired by Leilani Farha who was the UN rapporteur who came.

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Among in her 6 7 year term of office in 2,017 she came to the Bay Area.

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And she talked with 1st they came for the homeless and several in Wood Street encampment and various many people and she wrote but she said and wrote in a report She had never seen such conditions.

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Except in very dire 3rd world countries. And not even today. Necessarily. And she, she was also very passionate.

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She's from Canada, which has suffered a lot of the same kinds of trend real estate issues and trends and crises and housing.

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That we have. She, she's the publisher, producer, I'm sorry, of a movie called, Shift, which was a documentary about the role of the equity.

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Remember we had the equity partners, the hedge funds that are buying up single family homes and multi-family homes and student housing.

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And affordable housing. For seniors, even. So she was, aghast and created a nonprofit to.

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Let people know grassroots and governments of the dangers of this trend. And so when she was in Europe She was telling everyone she met network network network network.

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Well, she didn't deliver that message to us, but I'm delivering it for her.

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And she was the instigator. She was the reason this bestival came into being. Back in 2017 and it's been held in 4 cities Leon Frass, Amsterdam.

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Helsinki. And now Barcelona. And next in 2025 it will be in Dublin.

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And I learned about this festival and the pieces that were part of it. Beginning with Barcelona itself so cities the barcelona social housing plan back in 2013 actually a woman who was the commit housing commissioner or housing minister, Barcelona's and around Spain they elect not just a city council or a mayor they elect a minister of housing.

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What a concept. And that person has autonomy, has as much autonomy as the mayor to use and specifically is responsible for housing policies and production.

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So, the mayor spoke. And brought with her a, a, a, special, a bridge version.

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Of the, Barcelona housing plan, which You can just see a lot. You can Google this.

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You can read it. I have my copy with me. And essentially, this commissioner ran for mayor and won and proceeded.

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It's always backwards. I'm sure. Yeah. And, I wish I could share it with you.

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I am a data walk and, but the point was that she committed the city to build I think something like 9,000 more social housing units.

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By that she meant public housing. And housing built by a private. Cooperatives, housing cooperatives, and nonprofit housing like we have.

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Community housing developers here. And that's the basis of of EBO is actually an association of these.

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Nonprofit cooperative, I'm sorry. Of the nonprofit housing sector. Hearing in the East Bay, but there's groups like it all over the state.

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And, about 8,000 of those units, not just public, but also, cooperative, private.

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Limited equity cooperatives. As well as these community housing developers had built. Between 8 and 9,000 by the time we met in Barcelona.

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And, she also lost her election. For reelection bid and I'm I'm glad to say since then the new mayor also renewed the commitment to complete the plan which would add another 3,000.

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So we're talking about almost doubling the number of what we would call affordable, affordable housing units.

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And I put this in quotes because I'm not gonna, I just don't want to get into a discussion about who considers.

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What housing to be affordable. But the main thing is that it's permanently the cost of housing is set in these units.

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There's it's set. To. Be aggregated or it's it reflects the income.

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And it and the whole rather than the profit. So prices rents and housing prices in this. Sector in this labeled Big tent label of social housing.

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You know, it was so confusing. Everyone asked me what social housing and it's not a type of housing although sometimes that term has been used.

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It's not a, ownership type, although It's not just public or just private.

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It is permanently affordable in the sense that it is never bought or sold or developed for profit. I'm sorry, look in the wrong place.

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And that was revolutionary. But the Barcelona housing plan was only one. Of many, many, many cities, regions, and nations in Europe that are behind this festival and doing this work.

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Of making housing a human right, making that real. So the lead sponsor and the organizer of this festival took me a long time to kind of winkle this out is a group called Housing Europe.

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And the name, the actual name of Housing Europe and Rains, can you actually bring up their website?

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Not in the middle of it. Oh, I thought we were gonna be able to do that. Well, essentially it's the federation of public cooperative and social housing developers.

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Now, I ripped my hair out because they're the social housing is being used in a big way to include all of these different elements.

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Public cooperative, which is to say resident owned and operated housing. And social housing basically meaning nonprofits that produce affordable housing.

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For different groups and needs. So, 46 national and regional federations so public entities are part of this.

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Established in 1988 and now it's 46 federations this happens to be in Europe but in fact there's countries doing other similar things that are part of the festival.

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So, 43,000 local housing organizations. Right? So national and regional federations are like the ministers of housing or.

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Our equivalent of HUD, but it's made up from about the bottom up. It's a federation that starts with local housing organizations and advocacy organizations and tenants groups if they.

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Tenant groups but mostly more in the advocacy and alternative forms of affordable housing realm. 25 million dwellings.

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So multiply that. I don't know by 2 or 3. That's how many people. Have safe, stable, affordable.

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Housing as a result of this federation. They They keep track of their numbers. That's something we just hardly ever see here in our own governments or even, you know, how many new ones, 200,000, I'm sorry.

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So I'll just stop there. This is a Mighty big tent. Coalition. It's not a coalition because it persists.

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Apart from any particular legislation, these these are self-motivating behind the central goal. housing is a human right and, and every local housing organization does something a little bit differently, but it's within this vision.

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Oh, you've already talked to this. Oh, I'm sorry. I'll just I'll just keep moving on, but it's a great.

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Great group. This it didn't. The other group that I was very impressed by but haven't learned as much about is the International Union of Tenants.

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This predates anything, this predates the UN. And, sort of broke down after world during World War 2, but, Started up again and it's been active.

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It's also a federation, a cooperative federation of local tene unions forming state tenant unions.

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Or and then a national tenant union and then an international union it's currently operating in 27 countries it supports itself part mostly by its own membership dues.

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Has its own convention and it publishes a national status report. This particular booklet they gave out at the, at the festival.

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And it reports on the. Again, the social housing, they're using that big term.

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Within each country. And the the highest country in Europe is is is. The Netherlands.

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I think many people may have heard about Vienna, but that's lower on on the list.

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The Austria, but it's in Spain where we were hosted it was just 2%.

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But there's so there's a big range, but. Essentially, folks are keeping track of the numbers.

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In their own city, in their own country, and, and, in Europe, which of course has its own governmental parliamentary system.

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Next. I'm blathering on. Okay. So what can we learn from this?

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So one is that I wanted to bring to where we are here in the US. So we have many components of this system.

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One of the impressive parts in the Barcelona is that there's a region like a metropolitan area wide, several groups.

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One is called, people, create housing cooperatives and these, limited equity or 0 equity housing cooperatives, which are then governed and managed.

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But with assistance, governed and managed by the residents. This is something our public housing here in the US we actually had a whole little mini movement in the eighties for resident governed resident managed housing.

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Just think of that. That was. Being discussed and debated and brought up. And then, the administrative administration shifted.

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The winds changed and suddenly I never heard about it again. But there are, there are public housing, authorities that empowered the residents of particular buildings to act like a cooperative cooperative.

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So before that, let me just share. Before that, we had a national policy of supporting cooperatives.

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And that also disappeared under the Reagan era. Training handbooks, like how to become, it was called home owner, you know, it's called, sorry, it's called working, class homeownership.

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And it was it was promoted heavily from the thirtys to the to at least the seventys and eightys and right now only one program.

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Under the federal government still exists and that's for senior cooperatives. But I wanted to announce in this one arena of cooperatives.

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Because the US has a hundred, 150 years. Of what was called so what we would now call social housing.

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Many, many, here's, a whole, This is not even the complete list, but.

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It's like each generation discovers, oh, maybe we can create housing for ourselves. Now we have people living on the streets in tents and vehicles.

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Realizing this same thing. And our government, of course, our government policy has been co-opted and undermined.

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For all of this for many, many years, but this is our history, our heritage.

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So just Just to, yes.

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That's it. And there's a note, there's a note on the chat. From Bruce Wolff.

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Oh, hi, Bruce.

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We, we.

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San Francisco Community Land Trust has several 0 equity co-ops. Maybe you wanna ask them to say something.

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Oh, I'll wait till later. Bruce and I are part of several coalitions, so it's great to see him here.

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Norma, we're waiting until Betsy. Closes and then we're gonna speak.

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Yeah, I I can call on him for sure because he is very much in the trenches around a lot of these issues and I respect him greatly.

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Thank you, Norma. So I wanted to mention because I just found out about it myself.

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There's a national incubator. Program to train people to start co-ops. Now, Trainings have been offered.

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You know on a small scale here in the Bay Area but I think if any of you are familiar with the tenant tenant opportunity to purchase act which is still working its way through various communities but was opposed.

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Greatly in most cities that were where there was a grassroots group wanting to start them. So cooperatives.

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Resident ownership on a land piece of land that's owned either by a public actor or by a community land trust is one of the in my opinion, best new tools because you, you know, we can get into that later and maybe Bruce can talk about it too.

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So there's this incubator and, I can speak to it if anyone's interested.

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Yeah, I'll just keep going. It's based out of New York, which has the largest number of cooperatives, both.

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Market rate and 0 equity and limited equity. I mean, this New York City is always has had this pioneering.

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Form of housing. For a hundred years at least. So they're training people in how to start, help other people start more co-OP.

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California CLTs showed up at the. Are enrolled. Unity land trust. The other ones. Community development corporations.

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These are nonprofits that have led the way in housing often rooted in specific neighborhoods or particular racial ethnic.

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Leadership that's yeah culturally appropriate. So, I just, I'll skip through this quickly, but, There's about 3.

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There were about 400,000 cooperatively owned. housing units in the US it's dropped that word limited equity or shared equity being a preferred term or 0 equity.

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And now, hearing, many of those have fade, have become market rate. Don't go into too much more.

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But just to say there's plenty of co-ops here in California, even though they're largely invisible to most housing policy people.

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They have persisted. And grown. So California cooperatives are about

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I'm not, I can't quite read there, but they're about 5% of the total.

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In the US. So I wanted to speak to I'm gonna wrap up like I said I'm not gonna go into every kind of what might be called social housing is really social housing is like a strategic communication term.

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Historically, it's been used for all sorts of concepts, you know, group homes for the development, disabled or but really in this case, What I saw in Europe, what I saw with the, all of the festival and with the, the federation, housing Europe is, is what they've agreed to is it's permanently affordable, never to be sold or operated for

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profit. So that, and that there's a whole wrap around vision of, and paradigm of like, more but of how cities should operate and how they should be participating.

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But I, I just want to call out, the largest tenants group here in California.

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It's a big tent. Okay. I think close to a hundred different membership groups, including tenant unions from many cities and community land trusts, a few community land trusts.

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I know Julia has been active with that and other people Julia Cato our own former chair of the Berkeley tenants union and of course now we have many other tenants actions.

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All right, I'm being coached. I just wanna say we have this opportunity. There's been an enormous amount of effort to organize tenants.

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Around the state because we have more renters and they're more exploited. Than ever before.

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So 10 min together, I admire they have monthly calls and I would like to encourage everyone on this call to go look at their website if you're not familiar with them.

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To join. If you can, and more specifically to endorse their tenants bill of rights.

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Which looks pretty close. To. Pretty close to the UN definition of the right to housing.

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Terms that we were discussing and it's actually very close to the Biden administration the White House put together a proposed Bill of Rights.

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They haven't launched it yet, but I think it's worth looking at. And here in California, I'm a little unclear, but I don't think this has passed yet.

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Julia, do you know?

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So This I think it's, so this is. This is a recommendation. I would like EBHO and public housing authorities if they have the ability and economy to also endorse.

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Attendance bill of rights. There's There's no point in creating an alternative form of housing.

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If tenants are still tenants without any protections of rights right so we have a lot of nonprofit landlords and Great Panthers gets phone calls from people living in those affordable senior buildings.

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Who are who are harassed, believed, confused. And, and there needs to be clarity about, about all tenants, all renters.

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And that is that is what the UN, that is what the international lesson. That's what I saw happening.

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In Europe is, is, is still to be developed. And I think we should hear. Consider allying ourselves with tenants together no matter what we do in the housing field.

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Endorse the Tenant Bill of Rights. So, I'm asking actually particularly my fellow Grey Panther chapters here in California to consider doing this and to use these the tenant rights issue and support for housing of the human right to question all candidates for office.

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And last, not really lastly, but. I want to encourage all of us to be aware that SB 5 5 by our local Aisho Wahab, Senator from Fremont.

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That a bill was passed that identifies a requires a study group on permanent affordability. As our state housing policy.

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And the term social housing was dropped from the title of this bill and another definition of social housing was used by another bill.

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That failed. So I'd like to see us participate in the study group and start lobbying to be part of the study group.

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And as far as I'm concerned, any group you're part of. Let's make sure we're part of this.

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Discussion of SB. 5 5 5 about what is. The creation of a definition of permanent affordability and then working state policy towards that definition.

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We also have the Bay Area. Housing Finance Agency here in the Bay Area, which is raising, I believe it's going for 20 billion dollars.

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And I don't know what definitions they're using public discussion is going to open soon and so let's get involved in those public discussions and work.

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I should see an opportunity to work for a model like the housing Europe. And to create and track.

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What is the stock of permanently affordable housing across a range of needs across a range of groups but just work that and shape that discussion.

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About who gets counted, who gets funded, and where we need to go as as a East Bay or Bay Area or the state.

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And I believe that there's been, public comments.

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Yeah, but they aren't involving grassroots groups at the moment.

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At buffer already that they already ongoing. So just, Yeah. I'm not saying whether they are, whether they are and I'm just making a statement that public comments have been opened up already.

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Excellent. Excellent.

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And so, yeah, and they are where they have been attending. Because I've actually attended some of them to kind of.

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Thank you.

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See, but be that as it may, we just kind of went put put put that out there and Betsy, we really wanna thank you for this big.

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Extremely informative. Presentation about. Social housing and how it is applicable. Here in North America and specifically California.

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Thank you. So very much. And I'd like to.

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Bruce made a statement, Bruce Wolfe about, San Francisco Community Land Trust has several 0 equity.

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I really like him to, explain that. What does 0 equity come up If he could.

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Hey, maybe off the call now.

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I can share what that is, but if someone else wants to take it, I'm glad for it.

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So do you want me to take it? Arlene, do you want to skip to another question?

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I don't see any other, that was the only statement that I I've seen that really

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Okay, I think it's important. But within the sphere of cooperative housing cooperatives today.

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They are legally defined the documents that So the original documentation, basically a group of people own. And operate housing for themselves.

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And it's it's a corporation just like a nonprofit is a corporation IBM is a corporation.

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A housing cooperative is a legal form. Of collective organization. And the, some most cooperatives, they're set up to be housing for the members, but the, the, the members put in the money and it used to be a group of people could put in the money and buy a building or buy a piece of land and then pay to construct an apartment building.

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And there are hundreds of thousands of these around the country. Another category of howing cooperative though, really is the, the, arena.

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That's most of concern for us. It limits the equity. In other words, the equity you pay in to have a unit.

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To have the right to live in a unit. Or own a unit depends on how it works and when you own the unit privately as an individual you sell the unit for whatever the market will bear.

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And there are many of these in New York City and co ops are a little bit less than private homes.

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And condos because of the complications of shared governance. But the market rate is market rate. Limited equity means that when you put in your money or your down payment, whatever you want to call it, you put in a money to buy a share of the cooperative corporation.

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You're only gonna get back a certain. Like maybe 10% on your investment or when the unit is sold, the price is set by the membership.

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And the corporation as a whole, the cooperative as a whole gets a portion of the profit. And guaranteed the research is very clear.

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Cooperatives have lower rates of foreclosure. Lower rates and their prices are about a 3.rd Less at least a 3rd less.

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Then. Then private or, for profit housing for private homeowners. But a portion of cooperatives are set up and this is the type of cooperatives that.

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Housing and urban development set up specifically for poor, for the poorest. Americans and that is you don't have to pay anything more than a deposit to move in and you essentially rent but you rent with a stake.

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In governing and maintaining the whole. Property. And Not everyone and some of those those are essentially look like affordable housing except They look like.

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I'm sorry, they look like public housing in many cases and in some cases the they they're They haven't kept up a culture that says, wait a minute, we own this.

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Or at least we govern this. And so 0 equity means that you don't need to have a pot of money behind you.

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Even the cooperative limited equity cooperatives might be $2,000 $5,000. $17,000, 22.

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What? To join to enter and joining means that you now own. You co-own. The entire building or set of buildings.

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And so, means that you don't have to pay a fee in order to enter into it versus having to pay a fee.

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Yeah. Well, and yeah, thank you.

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Okay. Sit. Yeah. Okay, I'd like to ask the audience.

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Does anybody want to respond? Does anyone have any statements that they would like to? Pose during this.

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After this presentation that we just witnessed.

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Anyone? Okay.

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Okay. Julia has a hand.

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Okay, I just. Is my microphone on, yeah. Oh. Okay, I just wanted to say that limited equity co-OP.

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L the amount you can resell them for so it keeps it permanently affordable. That's that's That's why the equity is so limited.

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They can't make a, you know, they can't just people can't just come in and buy them and then.

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I live in a few years and sell them at some ridiculous profit. And that's why they're so significant and important to our Hello, you know, affordable housing community.

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That's all.

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Thank you. Thank you, Julia.

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No, we're sticking to the subject so if it's related to the social housing topic.

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And is brief. Sure, go ahead, you're on.

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Oh yes. Oh, you talking about your client on me?

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Yes. Oh, I was 1st on the list.

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No, Norma. Norma has a hand raised. Art was first, st okay, All right, this person in the queue. Go ahead.

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All right.

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Okay. 2 questions. Betsy, what was the most exciting thing you learned while you were in Europe?

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And secondly, besides joining tenants together. What else would you suggest as a priority for areas of activism?

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For us here in creating more affordable housing.

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Well, people still call. People still need they're in crisis and urgency and I respect.

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I respect and wanna support organizing groups, groups that are building a base of support. You know, where people are going, you know, might be door to door or church to church.

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And inviting people in to learn about this stuff. I'm not good at that, you know, I'm good at this thinking like our theme thinking systems in big picture and I think it iss thinking systems and big picture.

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And I think it is absolutely critical that we make sure that thinking systems in big picture. And I think it is absolutely critical that we make sure that the BAFA, this Bay Area funding agency has has a place.

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For community organized tenant organizing groups at the table. And. And the homeless that people who are homeless are still human beings with thinking brains.

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Not many people are in crisis. But the level of ingenuity and strategy I think we also should be including the voices of of the unhoused who have ideas and have organization.

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I'm thinking particularly the National Association of vehicle residents. We're having this, I'm not, I have, I don't live in a vehicle, but they're having a summit in June.

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So getting interested and having a big tent and not restricting ourselves just to. No, that's not that one.

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So I think collaborating and having at least one person in your Panther chapter who's reaching out and talking to the non-professional housing justice.

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Organizers and advocates. Can be an incredible. Personal experience. That's that's not what I got out of the festival because.

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But I saw that that was a missing voice there and they care about they have. They're having, you know, you know, wars and climate disasters are understood.

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They're going to create millions. They've already pushed millions of displaced people into European countries.

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And this is one place where that seen and understood and want to be incorporated and planned for that the housing the most exciting thing to me was to see this federation.

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This federation, this big tent, federation of public. Non-profit and cooperative housing developers or managers of housing.

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Because Just talking to each other, we're stronger. And this particular federation has incredible statement of vision and values about what they are committed.

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And you could say that's just pieces of paper and words, but There was a real energy. And commitment and I would love to see some of that.

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Us fertilizing each other and collaborating. We don't have to, yeah, thank you.

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And I want to piggyback off of Betsy that in there's a national chapter of Great Panthers, right?

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And so what other great panthers throughout the country are involved in? And so, have we even spread the net out in our own house?

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The lack of better way to stay it. Like how many people even know about? Has there been a presentation for the, national?

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So anybody that's in anything national. We wanna begin to spread the word, not only here in California, but throughout the country because it's not only impacting the country.

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The this state, but we also impact is being impacted throughout the country, especially what real estate investment trust, hedge funds, etc, etc, is constantly extracting and how we can move in a different direction.

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Thank you, Early. And I would say, I have well, do you think I've successfully brought this message to the national council which is fairly small.

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About 12 chapters.

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Well, we could.

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Okay, so.

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I don't, I don't think I have. I don't think we have. So, and what's important is this strategy is not top down.

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We, this is me, but I think many of us want to see a more democratic base.

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For these solutions because The people who are closest to the action are the people who should be setting the guidelines and designing the accountability systems and managing the housing.

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Lowest is not the right word, but you know closer to the people who

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Yes. And yeah.

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Those who are being the most impacted. And so, Norman is raising, waving her hand at the screen.

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A, we want to give Norman opportunity to.

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Yeah, one of our.

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Hey. Hello everybody.

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We want to keep it, we wanna keep it, we wanna keep it at 3. Okay, thank you.

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I will. I will, I promise. They, that's a snap, snap, snap.

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I can't snap my fingers anymore, but. The way you went about it was just lovely.

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I'm wondering, well, 1st of all, I wanna make sure does everybody know that there is a place I got mine in the 3 dots at the bottom of my screen.

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There's a place called reactions and in that you can raise your hand. Just to make sure everybody knows how to get involved in this. Well, you could raise your hand, but we can't see everybody at one time.

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So, getting back to That I made a note to myself. Now let's see. Did Betsy, I got in here late.

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Did Betsy make a reference? To the social housing that went on. In the early 19 hundreds.

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Okay. Okay.

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Hello, Betsy.

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We do. We didn't go ahead Betsy.

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Yes, but go on.

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Okay. Well, where you, you were you gonna say something? Did you get into the thing?

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She's so instructive to know what the people, the immigrants, the communists, so instructive to know what the people, the immigrants, the communists, the Jews that came to the United States in the early 19 hundreds, late 18 hundreds, early 19 hundreds, what they did because of their political background, which has been totally denied to the United States people.

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So if, there can be an intention to make sure that that is commented on or if anybody has a question about what I'm talking about it I've just said what it was is that people ran their own housing.

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In the early 19 hundreds they were bunch of socialists And it all got stolen away from them because that's the system we live in.

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The American system of we will grab whatever you get or whatever you want and take it away from you and sell it back to you at unobtainable prices.

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Oh good. Good.

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Yes, Norma. I actually had one slide. Documenting just a few. Of the 150 years of what we would now call social housing but essentially of cooperatives and communes and many of them still exist.

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What I'm saying is

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A number, many failed, many failed. We're still learning how to do it, but,

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They failed because the stuff got stolen from them. It was, which is why, that's why people hate Stalin.

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Stalin just said.

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Well, I'm gonna say that I believe. Not, yeah. Time for us, yeah. One piece of history.

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Okay, okay. We want to keep this moving because we want to be respectful of people's time.

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Oh, I'm sorry. For the sake of time. Because we are running.

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What is our time?

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Well, absolutely, absolutely.

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Out of time. And so we have Dominique and we wanna be respectful of her time. And so we have like.

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I would like to hold. The statements until after Dominique Hello, present and then we can resume the statements from Jenna, Michael, Maria, and Richard, please.

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Thank you. And so I would like to, present Miss Dominique Walker. To present to us at this time.

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Thank you.

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Hey, everyone. I would just like to thank you all for the work that you all do on a daily basis and also for inviting me to speak today.

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I guess I'll start off. About, speaking about my trip to Barcelona.

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This April. And some key takeaways. For myself and representing monster housing.

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We were invited to an I know I don't wanna butcher the name, I'll just say it in English, it's an encounter and it was a 2 day.

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Activist convening in Barcelona where we toured. Places where folks had occupied land.

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And it was a time for us to connect and share our struggles. And. It was my 1st time traveling internationally.

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So that was amazing. Opportunity for me. But what I learned is, power structures are the same.

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And it's important that we build power. That was one of my key takeaways.

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Because I act some of the like they were having encampments and They built like centers and gardens and By everyone is riding bikes so they have a bike shop.

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On land that they have taken over. To stop the development of. And speculation going on in Barcelona.

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It was so similar to the things that we're up against in the Bay Area. It's really important that.

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We organize with each other. So one of the things that moms for housing, is working on his doing an international convening.

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Probably on Zoom, we wanna do it in person in the future, but, next year it will probably be on Zoom to connect.

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And another takeaway is that we have to be radical because these speculators, these corporations they are moving, they're finding loopholes and our laws, they're doing whatever is necessary to gain capital.

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And we have to be have power to push back. Against that on the ground and locally local government.

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That's some of the things I learned there.

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There were a lot of, neighborhoods and in Barcelona where we were in each neighborhood.

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Had their own tenants union. And each one of those tenant unions focused on the specific issues of that neighborhood.

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And I thought that that was really neat and one of their models is like They, you're in the tenants union and you use it like a vaccine.

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So folks are in the tennis unions that are not having like rent issues at the moment. But just to prepare themselves for what is gonna happen in the future.

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And I think that that was just so important. To my way of thinking because if you think about like people come to even moms for housing when they're on the face.

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Of eviction like when they're about to get evicted and they need support. I'm like, what if we were already organized?

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We could She'll up different and with more of a force if we were already constantly every day doing the work.

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And. I I don't know what else. Thanks, wanted me to talk about.

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That's like. That's very personal level that you brought it to us all. And I failed to mention that Dominique is a participant with moms for housing who took over the house in the city of Oakland from the Big real estate, Wedgwood Company.

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And it is now a housing. And wrap around services for moms and children. They offer resources. And one of the things that she mentioned that's really critical is that before we get in crisis, Because that's what happens by the time people get 2, a 2 to the need.

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And I seeking our assistance, we're already in crisis, whereas when she was talking about the vaccine.

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Is before you get to the crisis. And so I really appreciate it even the way that you describe that because it's really important because so many people are in crisis and able to handle so many things because we constantly living in a state of crisis.

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In our health, in our housing, our daycare, our economics, our employment, education, reentry of veterans, LGBTQ, parents, we just have this whole wheel of people that are constantly in crisis because of the situations that's perpetrated here, not only here in North America, this is a global thing.

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And so I really appreciated the way that you spoke about the vaccine and how can we begin to develop that because it's not just about the organizations joining this particular thing but the people.

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That's going to speak about what's wrong with them because the top has don't necessarily always know.

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So I appreciate you so much Dominique. Thank you so much for that.

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Thank you, Dominique.

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And, now we're gonna, we're gonna resume back. We gotta circle back.

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Thank you so much for even being here, Dominic. I appreciate all you guys here today.

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Do I ask? I need to ask. You told me I can't. Okay.

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Can you hear me, Arlene? I'm sorry to interrupt. But I, I put a little bio of Dominique.

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I got you. I got you.

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I'm so grateful you. And to both of you for pulling this out. Okay, and I just want people to understand see if, Dominique, if you would like to say a few words about the different organizations you're part of in addition to moms for housing.

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Sequency, yeah, because we didn't mention secrecy. Come on now.

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And I'm talking about secrecy in addition to

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I don't know. If you want to say a few words about for Ace A. Well, I'm talking about ACE, which has Okay, we can if there's someone here from I'll stop we wanted to hear from groups that are front line in this housing justice housing development, you know, finding anyone who's in a frontline organization working on these issues, wanted to at least hear

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whether you or your organization how you are responding to housing is human right or what your particular specialty and expertise is in.

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So if there's anyone else who might want to share or if Dominique would want to share about some of the other work that's great but I really appreciate thank you.

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Yes, I I can share. So as far as moms for house and we were founded on the belief.

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That that housing is a human right it is our birthright it should not be commodified So we absolutely believe in that we work boots on the ground.

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Working to get development for low income and 0 income out because we need that as well. And also doing policy work with the city of Oakland.

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And one of the challenges that we come into like for instance Carol 5 had a something go to counsel and it was passed unanimously.

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Pass to turn the old Navy base into emergency housing. And it was passed, but here we are years later and there's no implementation.

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So what the things that we're struggling now with is the city administration and and everybody that are supposed to work with the implementation that part is not is not happening.

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But we're continuing to organize. I'm not boots on the ground with C for C, but we work with them directly.

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With moms for housing and, with policy work. In the city of Oakland and also direct actions.

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I am also a rent board commissioner in the city of Berkeley. And right now one of the biggest thing is getting the ballot measure.

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You see that?

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It is Berkeley tenant protection and the right to organize ballot measures. So if you're in the city of Berkeley and you haven't signed that.

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Ballet, please. You can contact me. I'll come by and get your signature.

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A lot of the landlords, they have a ballot measure coming and they have their signatures.

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We are trying to get our signatures, we're hopeful that we'll get them, but they're basically trying to gut our rent protections in the city of Berkling.

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And you pulled up?

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And, that's something that we're working hard to fight against. It seems like a lot of the work that we do on the rant board is closing loopholes that landlords have figured away around.

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So that's a little bit of what I'm doing. And if you have any questions, I have like 5 more minutes and then I have to go.

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Because it's the early day here in Berkeley.

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Thank you and rings just put up your flyer. Oh, he's about to.

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And also, if you have any questions and because, you know, for the sake of time, she has to go get her baby and maybe to pass it, you know, put it in the chat, maybe we could pass it from Great Panthers to Dominique and you know in one form letter and you know.

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Maybe even come and do some presentations. Who knows? I don't know. But just, of course, because it's all about collaboration.

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So that's where our strength is gonna come from. We all have to collaborate. And so, any questions anyone?

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I do. How do you sign for the tenants protection? The petition. How can we do that?

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Oh, well. We are canvassing, right? Can you all hear me? Okay, we're canvassing right now.

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Actually, if some volunteer is canvassing in my neighborhood, but if you. Need to sign, we can have somebody come by, and sign.

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I live in district 2 in Berkeley, in Berkeley every day. So if you want me to stop by so you can sign a petition.

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I'm willing to do that. I can drop my number. Let's see. Or email address email.

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Your email or you know some contact information. Yeah.

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I'll put my email in the chat and if you need me to come by so you can sign.

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We're trying to have our signatures in. We need to have them in by Friday. So, before Friday, I can stop by and have you all sign and I'm dropping my email.

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Oh my god.

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Chat right now.

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Thank you so much.

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Friday. Cheryl, I know where you live. I live a block 2 blocks away. I have petitions.

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I'm back on Friday, unfortunately. Can I? Will that work? For, well, can I get a signature on Friday and have it be valid Dominique?

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I'm not sure. I think there's a cutoff might be 5 PM, but I don't know if you have Leah, Simon Weisberg's information. He is.

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The petitions to be turned in so she would have that information.

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Okay, thanks. But I'll be your backup because.

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Thank you.

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I live real near Cheryl. Thank you. Oh.

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Excellent, excellent. I love network network network, collaboration.

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So, yeah.

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A question.

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Thank you.

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Dominique, what? What tenant protections are being under threat or being taken away in Berkeley is one of them rank control?

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It's not actually rent control. It's just amendments to our ordinance. They're specific ones and if you want to know like that, I just don't have it all.

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The ordnance is like 2 pages or something. So I can send this specific thing that the landlords are trying to do.

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And, if you go on, I think it's East Bay. tenants.com.

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Let me see. I think I wrote it. They are not gonna send that to you. It has exactly.

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What the landlords are trying to take from our ordinance and what we're trying to do specifically to strengthen the ordinance.

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All of that. Let me see if I can find it. I'll drop it in a chat before I.

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Jump off.

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And if you have to go first, st we've got people who could do that behind the scenes back you up.

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Okay, thank you. I really have to jump right now because I go get my daughter, but thank you so much for inviting me.

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Yeah. Thank you so much.

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In any way that we can collaborate just let me know, reach out to, I think you all have, moms for housing info, our email address, and we are gonna have some things where we would love to collaborate with you all on.

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So thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you all.

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Thank you and have a beautiful day. And lessons. Okay. Wow, that was awesome.

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We gonna keep, we gonna go back to the responses with the hands raised. The 1st person in the queue is Miss Jenna.

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Yes you are.

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Hi, am I audible? Okay, cool. This is just a brief question. Essentially about nomenclature.

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That's, you were talking about categories, but so what would we call the the category of housing that I think of as low low income where these buildings that are run by Saha and you refer to them where they take a percentage.

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It's often a 3rd of whatever your income is. And also, are there organizations, or do you know of buildings where that have that kind of finance base but where the tenants themselves have are empowered to manage where they they literally can self-manage their buildings either here or in Europe or anywhere internationally.

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And thank you for this. This is. But that's that is it prompted that question.

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Hello. Okay. So, Yes. So 1st off, You remember the slide where I said we have a hundred, 75 years of conflicting competing co-opted housing policy.

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Couldn't see it, but yeah.

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So, Saha for better for worse is what well, is belongs to, the whole sponsor of this.

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They are mission aligned nonprofit. Housing developers and managers. And they manage the buildings that they build or buy.

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And they manage it, they have their own staff. There is a whole category of corporate of for profit.

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Housing owners developers managers that own 50,000 a hundred 1,000 units and they hire private property managers to manage and squeeze the budget so they can pay back their investors.

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There's also though The way. All of the category of section 8, which is a HUD program that specifically has been Limited and underfunded for many years.

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People who receive a Section 8 voucher are usually in the very bottom of income. They have to meet poverty standards, which is just a number set years ago with a formula.

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In 1959 and has not really been adjusted but we're not going to go there okay

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Yeah, it is. It is, it is absolutely a program that's essential, but because, you know, the wins of policy change.

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Republicans and conservatives limited the number of, public housing units that are permanently subsidized or of any kind of units that are I'm not saying this right.

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So, the public policy shifted from building buildings where all the units in them were permanently subsidized to be Very low cost.

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Instead, we went to a voucher system. And only about, I don't know. A 3rd at most of people who would qualify.

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Very deeply subsidized rent. Ever get a voucher. Right? There are very few vouchers.

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Right, cause they're closed. Right.

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When you get about, well, they have wait lists and they wait lists open up in different areas. It's a big deal.

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If you're looking to get on one of those lists. I highly recommend going to the Center for Independent Living or talking to because you, you have to get on the list, then you might get a, might someday get a voucher.

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And then only 16% of people who receive those vouchers. Actually find a place in the private housing market.

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The one? Yeah, go ahead.

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And so with the with the housing vouchers, housing vouchers are basically being used with continuum of care coordinated entry service for those who are homeless.

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There are some that are actually getting it that are not. In that category. The bulk of the housing is for those who are participating in coordinating entry services who are disabled who might be under some sort of violence, intimate partner violence.

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There's certain categories, but the larger population is generally not really participating because it's such a small limited amount and the length of time that it takes for that to happen.

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Is really quite long.

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So absolutely and

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Do you see Margo's comment in the chat people?

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Reagan cut public housing and we're still suffering from this. Yes, those of us who are blessed with age and memory know that these programs have come and they've been cut back.

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I know fun. Bless.

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And just to say that I before the homeless crisis really reached peak there was just the one program. Called Section 8 vouchers for the poor for people who were you know, an individual makes less than $14,000 a year.

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And you and is I am critical personally of the fact that. The, well, let me back up.

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So that was a program that's still going on and they're still new vouchers and it's not just for the currently homeless.

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Another set of vouchers. A program with a different name was set up for people who are homeless.

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Right? And there is, and I don't know how different public housing authorities work their different pots of vouchers and maybe there are no more section 8 vouchers but they existed and there are people living on those vouchers who have been living in senior affordable housing here in Berkeley is Redwood Gardens.

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So kind of, of after the eighties.

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Harriet Tubman. But there's a variety of tax credit. There's a whole bunch of complicated.

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Finding things that make make any given unit less than market rate. That's all.

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See it's.

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So just to not go into the, in the eighties, we no longer were really distributing public health, you know, section 8 vouchers.

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We were building, we weren't allowed to build any new public housing.

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We know in 1998 they stopped building with the fair cloth amendment. They stopped building public house.

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No, I'm agreeing. Yeah.

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And so now we lost here in the state of California. We lost over 15,000 units and they have never been replaced and there's no conversation about it.

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But that's another conversation. But it's basically housing choice vouchers that are now being used.

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RCD, satellite houses that are now being used, RCD, that are now being used, RCD, satellite housing organizations that are nonprofit are now the, satellite housing organizations that are nonprofit are now the participants that are building a house like the participants that are building a house like the largest management that is extracting a tremendous amount of money to me and bad manage

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well. Okay, I'm gonna keep it to myself. It's John Stuart is the largest, manager of housing here, in the state of California.

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And I don't even know naturally. But I'm just gonna throw that in.

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So I will just say. Go into the weeds just a little bit any building. That has been built by a mission aligned and is owned by a mission aligned.

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Will at least have the intention. Of fair and just management. And if they hire a private company to manage them, you know, it's arms distance.

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I will just say the ownership is your 1st line of inquiry. If it's owned by an incorporated nonprofit that has explicitly their mission is to support affordable housing, then you will have stable and legal rents, you know?

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If you're in a for profit company or and there's even some that game nonprofit status but if you're owned by a for-profit corporate type owner landlord, you will there's even worse exploitation that can happen.

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And they have contracts and when that contract a 30 year contract, correct me if I'm wrong early, but most of the affordable housing is done through a contract with HUD or with.

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No, it's not. Something happened, right?

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The city and when that contract expires. Some owners, and it's already happened just sell the building for market rate.

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They don't they're not committed to per permanent affordability even if you disagree with what is affordable.

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And even if you don't think they're serving the community. And that is one of the issues with being why we need to define permanent affordability and focus on increasing that housing stock.

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Otherwise, you know, the owners of Harriet Tubman can may be able to sell. They have a long contract.

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But, many other buildings across the country and in California have been sold. And gone market. Or the they've they're able to raise the rents the rents get raised according to the area median income which has nothing to do with you yourself with a fixed income.

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Right? You're gonna get charged. And if you can't pay the increase, then you will, you have, you'll be evicted.

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We do have other. Yeah.

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And you know, the thing about it is that we know most of this is not supply and demand. It's very manipulated.

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Real estate investment trust investors who are driving up prices and we can't ignore that. And so as a result, this is where we sit at.

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And so when you look at, back in the eighties, when Reagan was in office.

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It was, DC was the 1st place where they actually began important time count because of. This impact on housing.

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It started there and now here we are in 2024. How many years later? But you know, with that being said, continuum of TS started here, you know, in 2,014 where they actually started implementing this whole circle of things.

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But that's just for those who are homeless.

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Apparently, got, I, yes, we got more. I'm gonna have a lot of problems.

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1st we have Maria.

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And that was specifically for people who were homeless. So the consum of care. So can I, can I ask Arlene, could we call on Richard and Michael David as as chapter leaders we're never we're never gonna see them as much.

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Is that all right?

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Oh, okay, sure. Sure. Well, I don't wanna, I, I don't wanna leave out Maria.

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Okay, so

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No, no, I'm just asking for people who are not. People who are part of other organizations that are doing housing work in some way so that was that was our priority for guests and Maria of course you'll You know where we live.

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Well, can I go?

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So who are you calling on.

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Richard, Richard.

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Thank you, where for our focus is primarily on senior housing being a great panther chapter. Seems natural.

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And what I wanted to talk about, not it's not only where we're, we should be going, but also where the National Council of Great Panther Network should be going.

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And it seems to maybe there's a tension here. So what I'm hearing is you folks.

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They are.

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Seeing housing as a social movement. That in other words, tenants should get involved politically. To get to this, and they are and have been and and and they should be encouraged.

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To get involved and basically create their own housing opportunities. And control them and be in charge of them. And of course, it has to be

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That's 1, that's 1 possible outcome. That is not the might not work for seniors to do that.

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They might know.

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No, no, no, I'm there.

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Yeah, yeah, okay. Sorry.

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Okay. Well, we're gonna let Richard speak. We're gonna let me just speak. Go ahead, Richard.

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But on the other hand, I look at it as a funding issue. Where's the money? And so our emphasis so far has been on looking for where's the money to encourage our local elected.

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Housing authority people. And all the rest to basically create more housing. It's not so much coming up from the bottom, it's coming down from the top.

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So you're. This is what your chapter is doing. I'm sorry.

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Thank you.

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Terms of where the money is. Hi, let me finish. So I would like to know. About whether there's any examples of those 2 approaches coming together for seniors.

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I mean, we have There's something appealing about a bunch of old people standing with their walkers in the air shaking it, you know, saying, give us, give us the housing we deserve.

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And so there's something appealing about that. And yet, is it realistic? Is there examples of this actually happening?

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So that's my that's where I'm at in terms of what do I take back.

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To my chapter. With that, thank you.

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And so, going to the buffalo meeting, right? So the buffer is the basic Bay Area housing finances authority, right?

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And so there are certain groups that have been attending. One of them is which is St. Mary's and the seniors and they actually attend the meetings.

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And participate in public comments. And so they are. Some that are already participating. So when you you mentioned that about seniors, you know, here we are all of us, and, and when you go to the meet, you see all of these seniors.

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So it is certain things are happening where people are participating in this movement. So it is certain things are happening where people are participating in this movement.

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So I just wanted to kind of put that out there to you. In this movement. So I just wanted to kind of put that out there to you. In this movement. So I just wanted to kind of put that out there to you.

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If you do, if you do go to you will see certain participation. Of seniors.

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Okay, Madam Chair, can I? May I respond as well?

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We wanted to talk, we wanted Michael to speak.

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Okay, I'll talk to you offline Richard about Santa Barbara. Yeah, thanks.

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Please. Thank you.

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Oh, I just wanted to make a couple of comments. I've been part of the mini subcommittee.

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For the national council of great panther networks. We've been meeting for well over a year, couple of years.

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About these issues. And we're trying to, we've had a lot of speakers come to us.

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We've looked at a lot of information. We're trying to write a paper now. To represent some of the ideas to get other people involved.

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And I've taken responsibility for working on the 1st chapter. I've worked for the on that for several months now.

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I wrote a chapter that basically talked about the investments, the, investors that are that are buying up housing.

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The venture capitalist as a way of. Parking their their money. In a way that they think will go up.

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So if they control all the housing. In a city, for example, they can control the rents.

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And they can make a lot of money doing that, driving people out. Anyway, I've been.

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I today I'm living in my sister's apartment which is a rent control department in New York City.

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I'm here to help her die. She has stage 4 cancer. And, so I'm suddenly in this situation of living in New York City in a rent control department.

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And it's been a real real culture shock for me. My sister has been living on her social security.

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She's a brilliant person. She's worked the system. She got her apartment in 1978.

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And she's paying $712 a month in rent. Now, she won't be paying that much longer because she won't be alive much longer, but that's, the history here.

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Now, I'm looking around trying to understand what the city is and how they work. She's in Calvary Hospital in the Bronx, so I'm taking 2 buses in a train or 2 trains in a bus to get to see her.

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And all this is written underwritten by the City of New York. Is the fares are very cheap.

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Compared to what they're actually offering. What I've learned is, she has a good friend who owns the building next door.

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And I was talking with him about it. Her building is now co-OP. That means that the apartments have been sold by a realty firm.

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And the building is owned by a co-OP. But she's paying $712 a month in rent because of rent control.

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And when she dies, the department will revert to the co-OP and they will sell it for probably a couple of 1 million dollars.

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That's the fair market value of where she lives. What I've learned from my friend is that her $712 doesn't even pay her fair share of property taxes.

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And that kind of set me back to thinking about property taxes and how that affects housing. We were talking about government finance, government, the vote government budget.

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Yeah, and we start looking at that, we look at how much is now drained by the, federally.

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By the. More than half our federal taxes go to payment on the debt. That's a fact.

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So our government doesn't have a lot of money to give us back for our taxes. That's there's a whole lot of governmental debt where they've done fast and furious accounting games and instead of maintaining the streets and maintaining our roads and so forth, they've spent their money on other things where they didn't collect enough money to adequately provide for the public.

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Good. So I think in terms of any kind of long term housing. We have to look at the actual finances behind any housing that has to pay.

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And one of the basic things is property tax. Now my personal situation is we don't have a mortgage anymore.

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We own our home free and clear, but our taxes went up 5% last year. How many years can we survive on a fixed income?

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With our taxes going up every year. It compounds. It's gonna go up more as more property is sold and everything becomes so much more expensive.

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So I think that a national strategy for us has to include that as a factor in how we, we, we focus on, the housing problem.

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If we're going to be successful, we need to figure out what our values are. I agree with Betsy that housing should be a human right.

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But I don't know who pays for it. And until we really look at who pays for it, how we're going to have a public budget.

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We're not going to be able to really break free from the. The venture capitalists because they own the government.

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They have control over who votes on the in the legislature. And we really need an independent strategy. So that's what I'm.

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Proposing. We continue our discussion with that. I'd like to suggest that when we get our paper written, we should share it across all the networks with everybody getting a copy to participate in a structured discussion.

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We need to we need to figure this out. I don't see a solution. I'm living in New York and there are these incredible services that are absolutely essential.

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They, they clean the streets. They have a sweet street sleeper. And they collect, the, ticket the cars that are blocking the street cleaner.

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And I think that's kind of the metaphor for what we need in our. We have to be able to keep ourselves clean and operating at a minimum level.

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And I talked with people who live here. I'm just amazing. They can survive in this environment.

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I like living on a farm in Michigan. But it's really eye opening and I just wanted to lay that out as an issue.

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I don't think it's been really discussed.

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Wow, thank you so much for that commentary. I'm born and bred Brooklyn, New York.

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Yeah. And so, you know, I follows, I follow, they're talking about save section 9.

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There's a lot of public housing development that's being purchased. There's a lot of investors that have come to New York.

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And they have taken, they have purchased a lot of public housing buildings. There so there's a, going on there.

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Yes, yes.

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But is the property still on the tax rolls or do they get off the tax rules? That's a whole fairness issue.

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Yeah. And so, I appreciate you even bringing that up. Thank you so much. Maria has her hand raised and then we're going to get to Miss Maria, sorry to keep you waiting.

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And G.

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Alright. No, no, no, no, no, you're worth waiting for and I thank you so much, and I come from Queens.

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I don't know if you know that, but. Alright, so. Yeah, and Betsy, what a phenomenal presentation and thank you everyone for being here.

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I'd like to just make a few points. Being housed by Saha, the management is got awful.

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Such that all of my proactive. Let's adjust the elevators so that they don't present a tripping hazard, one literally dropped and is out of order now because they didn't listen.

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So whether it's John Roberts and lifelong or whatever. I want to caution us.

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To the co-optation of our. Intentions and language because Betsy you even mentioned thank God you know not for profits and etc. but These not for profit places if you look more deeply end up being exploited and you know again extracted from.

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In a very profitable way. So we really have to be stealth and aware of what really is happening just as some of the meetings that I've been to recently and town halls because we're having elections.

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There's a misrepresentation of the number of homeless people. There's the bragging on how Berkeley has reduced it.

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No. No, you know, so there's a lot of misinformation. We must really be Diligent, not accusatory, not you know.

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Prejudice but truthful in what we see because you know, this whole push for more housing doesn't.

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Oh, Clarify whether or not it's for just more money and so many of the people involved here are into perpetuating the problems so they maintain their salaries and or for again the exploitation and extraction of resources, which I wish.

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They would not waste. So much of due to, well, after the fact they're sued or where is the money actually allocated?

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So yes, finances. And bottom up. I, you know, it's quite a complex situation, but everyone here has a heart and a brain and I'm very, very, Very grateful.

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So thank you.

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Thank you so much, Maria. And you so write about this latest point in time count. It appears as if the numbers have been slow, but we were having what do they call those things?

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When it rains they have a title for it now. When it's in the sky because it's so torrential.

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The weather was so bad on the point in time count day here. That, the numbers were gonna be reduced.

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And so, I see.

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That was. Yes.

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Yeah, but only even more to the point the people that wait let me just respond to that the people that profess to be doing this not that they're not great intentions but they don't even know where to look.

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I've had people asking me, where do we go to see? And I can take them there because I've been there.

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You know, so again, we need to close the gap. Who's asking and who are they listening to?

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Because again, you know, Betsy, the way that you integrate all of this information along with the boots on the ground like Arlene and Dominic.

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It's like Dominique. I mean, it's just we've got to be more coordinated and communicative and cooperative and I again am so grateful thank you.

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And that's why we have all of these cracks. And so we're gonna keep this moving.

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Thank you, Maria. We're gonna call on Miss Jane.

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Thank you. I live in a Limited Co-OP in Berkeley and I work for a low income non-profit housing association.

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And I have assured them that, the contract with the agreement with the city of Berkeley, is good and the city would not sell the property and Betsy I I'm taking notes.

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I'm a little distracted and I thought I heard you say that the city has or could sell.

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Things when the contract time expires.

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So let me just say. That the city of Berkeley sold all of its public housing stock all 72 units to a I don't a real T, it's called, anyway, I'd have to look up the D, but they sold it to an out of city.

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Potentially for profit and that is they may have had an agreement with the city that they will never be.

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Because if you own in our system, if you owned, you can always sell. Cause it's your property, right?

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But the certain types of institutions are set up legally so they can never sell for profit. And or there they have agreed that it must It will never be sold, period.

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It will. Whatever that means or it'll be sold in other words you have to bake in the legal agreements to the very core corporate documents.

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But yes, I don't think at this point the city does not own what you used to be owned by the city.

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So it's possible. It's possible.

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Doesn't own anything. In public housing. It sold those. And they're now, yeah, and they now compete for tax credits.

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And section, you know, they each one each landlord has its own formula and commitments. So I think the question was probably about, sorry, back running out.

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Well, so many, so it is so freaking complicated. I can't, I can, but I can tell you within the city of Berkeley, we have buildings owned by mission aligned.

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Berkeley based. Affordable housing developers. And you've heard they can be as potentially not conscious and good to their tenants.

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That's why we need that, you know, and then there are others that are not even under the supervision of the city of Berkeley.

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And those are the oldest. I'll just share. So we have Harriet Tubman, Redwood Gardens, Strawberry Creek Lodge.

01:47:08.000 --> 01:47:15.000
And Savo Island cooperatives. They all have different ownership. And limits to ever being resold.

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But Harriet Dublin in Redwood Gardens, senior apartments. Right, senior apartments.

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They were sold to an out-of-state group called foundation housing which then has proceeded to create its own little corporation, limited liability, limited.

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They have done their own thing where they make money by getting. They make money by refinancing the building.

01:47:47.000 --> 01:48:01.000
Those are the fees that Arlene was mentioning. And the question is where does the money go back to?

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So I got a question so that

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And at least in Sahi goes into their mission of affordable housing. I'll stop. Some got tax credits, literally every building is its own deal.

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So the tenants find out about that ahead of time. They're not caught completely by surprise at the last minute.

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Well, the building until Let me just say they nobody has to notify the tenants. And that's part of the reason we wanted the tenant opportunity to purchase Act, which looked good, but I can tell you I got a whole bunch of nasty flyers that were secretly or anonymously put out or or clearly funded by the realtors.

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Party. The the California Association of Realtors. And they have a I'm getting astray.

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We have to understand that the primary policy and the primary lobbyists have always been for homeownership, which seems like a wonderful thing.

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And is in many ways, but it has. The, but right now tenants have almost no rights.

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The reason I put up that 45% is because landlords don't have Yeah, I don't need to tell.

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45% of the city doesn't have, is not legally, doesn't have a right to know who owns the building.

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So one of the one of the international bill of one of the tenants to Tenants United, tenants together.

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Bill of Rights is to know who the owner is. So that may not answer your question, Gene, but where do you live?

01:49:29.000 --> 01:49:30.000
I'm, I'm at Parker Street.

01:49:30.000 --> 01:49:38.000
And let's talk offline about the ownership of your building. Your co-OP.

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Oh, excellent.

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Well, we own it. The co-OP owns it. We're owners, but where I work, it's a mutual housing association.

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It's a form of cooperative. And, it's run by the board who are tenants and, and there's a 50 year period.

01:49:52.000 --> 01:50:04.000
I didn't know there would be one other than 50 years. I think that only the land trust now has the power to extend it indefinitely.

01:50:04.000 --> 01:50:11.000
Okay. So I would love, I probably can. We probably know each other from those circles.

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Why don't you, if you put your number in the chat or Maybe someone can put my number in the chat or or sign up for Grey Panthers.

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Oh, put my email address in there.

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We're having a social. Next week. Thank you. I'll leave it at that because some weeds are just too deep for right now.

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And I want to kind of reiterate that I want to put that out to anyone who is on here who is not a member of.

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Great, East Bay, Great Panthers or Great Panthers in general, wherever you happen to be located, we invite you to join us.

01:50:36.000 --> 01:50:48.000
We invite you to attend our meetings. We invite you to come and be a part of us. Thank you.

01:50:48.000 --> 01:50:49.000
So much.

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No age limits, no age limits.

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And I see Miss Margaret. Move. I has her hand raised.

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Hi. Okay.

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Yes, hi. I wanted to respond to the how is it funded, you know, that's well there's 2 issues really some of these not-for-profit housing that the city of Berkeley sold to have deadline where the property can be sold.

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It was something like 50 years, but 50 years isn't very long because it's down to something like 20 years for a couple of these places now.

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And there's just such a lack of consideration about what will happen to these places and to the tennis.

01:51:41.000 --> 01:51:44.000
Who live there, it's very upsetting. And you asked how it would be funded. Well, we have several things going on in the state level.

01:51:44.000 --> 01:51:52.000
Well, we have several things going on in the state level. One is we have to get rid of things going on in the state level.

01:51:52.000 --> 01:52:01.000
One is we have to get rid of prop 13, which limits the taxes that corporations pay, we have to Get rid of cost of hawking so that more cities can vote for tenant rights.

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We have to reconstitute the redevelopment agencies that Gerry Brown got rid of, and we have to tax the rich.

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And that's how we're going to fund things and that's what we have to do at the state level.

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And I hope that that we can accomplish that sometime in our lifetimes. Thank you.

01:52:26.000 --> 01:52:31.000
Thank you so much for that wrap up because that is like bullet pointed that we really need to focus on and we have not.

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And so thank you so much for that information. I see Norma has her hand raised who will be the last person.

01:52:41.000 --> 01:52:44.000
And we will wrap up.

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Hi, everybody. I need to tell you this. Betsy has tried to, rein this in.

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The way that, the Soviet Union got to be able to. Insist on housing for everybody was they opted out of the war in 1915.

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01:53:07.000 --> 01:53:22.000
Yeah, they opted out of the war in 1915. This means they they had the ability. Materially to provide housing for everybody, which was part of the mandate of building the communist nation.

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Which is the cause of all the warring and stress and debt that the imperialist countries have. Put up.

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Since then, the impialist countries are trying and you've all been told this, you all know this, but it's real hard to put it deep into our.

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Heads and into our structure. Our structure is to protect the profiteering by our owners and we are, although the slavery system has changed and hugely.

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From channel slavery, needless. I mean, I can't express the degree of change from that to the present form of slavery where we We go to work for our bosses and they make money off of our labor and Marx wrote a couple of books about that.

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Thank you.

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Thank you. Arlene, it's nice to see you.

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It's great to see you too, Okay, this this has been like a really This has been a rich conversation.

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I thank you for the education. And for the interaction. I think Betsy for the organization of this, but gathering what she did.

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Oh, Betsy and Rains. I gotta bring rains into it. And I think everyone for attending.

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I thank you. Really for. Allowing us to hold a space and to think about this information.

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And share it out to your networks. We want, we want to spread this word out on these concepts about housing.

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Housing as a human right the issues that's impacting it what we need to do politically.

01:55:13.000 --> 01:55:22.000
The election that's about to happen. We want to push this information out. To the communities that you may be involved with.

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Whatever they might be because this is not insulated. It's part of a big cog. And it's moving.

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And we're all part of that. So I just wanna say. Please share this out with your network and I'd like to thank you for coming.

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I notice that we have. Kiki Po from, She had to leave. Oh, she, what did her comments say?

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She's gone, yeah.

01:55:50.000 --> 01:55:55.000
Just have to check out. Thank you so much. Betsy, I'll follow up to get Morning Phone.

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Present. You to Emma about endorsing the tenant's Bill of Rights. Yes.

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Sweet. And, I just want to say Arlene and Carol and perhaps others of you, Rains and I personally are members of E.

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Even though and so Arlene and Carol have gone through this training program and process and are still members of EB.

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I believe, you know, through your leadership program, which I give them great credit for even though This they came together as an association of affordable housing developers and bankers that support them, but mostly they have moved their programs the leadership to to make sure residents and community members are involved.

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So maybe. Just encourage that and that's great. Maybe we'll have meeting with them.

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Yeah, I just graduated from the leadership program Friday. Myself and as a young lady on here Gabriel Pierce.

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Oh sweet.

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She was part of my. Of my team where we have to, come up with a presentation.

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So, hey, Gabriel. And so we just graduated Friday and celebrated and so I'm so happy to see her face.

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Lovely young woman.

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Maybe you're part of that next stage of this, you know, because you're in the Yeah, just thinking about how to build this.

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Solidarity across and Thank you. Oh yeah. Yeah.

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And housing preservation. That's where our focus is at. That's what we, that's what our actually project was in the classroom.

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So we're looking to kind of keep this moving, keep this moving, keep this movement.

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So, we're gonna have ask people if you, we, see you're here today, would you put into the chat something if you know what organization you're with if it hasn't been obvious Just tell us something about people who's here today who are for the 1st time coming to a Great Panther meeting.

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So we're not gonna pass you with a lot of emails, but, it would be helpful to know.

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And we have also right up now, a slide that didn't got cut out of the slide show, but it's related to local action.

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That people can take. Great.

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But remember, this, this is affordable housing month. Is doing projects all through the month. Which street common has a product they've been working, ongoing, which 3 common is actually the largest.

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I don't know if anyone knows is the largest, encampment here in the city of Oakland, which in fact they close.

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And so

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Oh, they swept it. They. They took, yeah, sorry. Yeah.

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Terminology, tomato tomato is close. And so with that being said, it was the one year anniversary.

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That's the picture that you see up there with myself and now my hand was part of the California 4 People's campaign.

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And we went to the one year anniversary. Anniversary of the closure of which we common. And so Wish Recommons is also doing affordable housing month and different projects all from the month of April throughout the end of May I believe it is.

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And so anybody that's participating in an affordable housing month in any shape form of fashion. We want to be mindful of that.

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Go to Ed. Go to various sites. Look this information up and try to participate and share with your network if you can't just.

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Thank you.

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Michael David, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. For your situation. I'm sorry for that.

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Julia Kato has any of

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Thank you. Now that we're done, I wanted to ask Betsy. It's my understanding that the degree of homelessness is far less in Europe than it is in this country.

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Is that the case?

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Well, in some cities and countries, yes. Because they, I mean, they certainly have the full range of mental illness.

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Drug problems and, and or and discrimination, you know, but there they've been better at preserving.

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Enough public housing and then social service housing. To help people sooner. You know, they do, but it's, they recognize those challenges.

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The big challenge that they're also facing is, you know, Syrian refugees. The war in Ukraine.

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Africans in Somalia and I guess is Rwanda. I mean, people who are driven out.

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Of their own countries that have no particular they you know and they can't even be in their own countries or villages.

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You know, so they're much closer to that kind of mass. Mass eviction, essentially from people's homelands.

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So I think there's there's there and that's not always working well, you know.

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So they've got to even in those countries each have their own, you know, circumstances. But it is, you know, if you support.

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The UN Charter of Human Rights, then countries have obligations to help not only their own homeless, but this large mass of people.

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And, and the altar and it's very clear they're, they're clear in their statements.

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That doesn't mean government has to Government can't pay for everything. It's really I think about thinking about a 3rd way.

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You know, you know, so I won't try to go into it more, but because I don't have the answer.

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I just know bits and pieces and we all have the answer. I just know bits and pieces and we all have bits and pieces of a way forward.

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Yeah, well.

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That's how I see it or of the issues. So let me stop there. But what we do have, I did wanna mention that I didn't put up the slide, but we have such a disparity between the treatment of homeowners.

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Mind you, there have been. The realtor party has been lobbying for homeownership, but only insofar as it increases the value because that's where they get their commissions from and the money they use to lobby to support what they're about.

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And so far in this country, a homeowner gets about 6 times as much. Benefit from their owning as a renter gets from being low income.

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I mean, 6 times. That's a lot of money. And when we talk about I mean, nobody wants to be considered rich and lose some of their their wealth, but that's another piece of unfairness.

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I mean, Norma mentioned. I'll stop.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yes, it is. Yes, it is in this book. On poverty that I read recently pointed that out that all of the people that are resentful of people getting help from the government.

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They pointed out that homeowners probably get more benefits than any of people on these programs.

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That's right. Yeah, yeah. And, and I don't think we're going to get change if it's a renters versus homeowners.

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You know, so that's why I feel it's important for us to understand who's been manipulating and paying.

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Keep a certain systems going. Cause not all homeowners want to be screwing over the poor world.

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No, I mean, that's part of my work as a tenant activist to, point out.

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That for the most part homeowners and tenants are on the same side of almost every issue except perhaps.

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A few mental issues and things like that, but we all want the same things for our cities. We're not natural enemies.

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And I resent people who try to pit us against each other.

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That's a really good point. Maria, what's the book on poverty? I think it's called Poor.

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Or is it called?

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No, the one I call is poverty by America.

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Okay, there's another book.

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It's an excellent book and I recommend it to everybody.

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Okay. Thanks. Yeah, Norma's mentioning we can save the chat and thank you.

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And so we are, we are officially close. We are at 3 43. So we kind of ran into our great Panthers time and I'd like to.

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YeahWill you closeOkay


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