Redistricting

September 24, 2025

virtual via Zoom

1:30 Welcome, Introductions

Suggested Meeting Guidelines

Co-Convenors Carol Crooks & Betsy Morris

Board Reports

• Solano Stroll
• Board Member Nominations & Elections (in October) 

“Election Rigging Response Act” of 2025

• California Temporary Redistricting Measure Proposition 50 
• Where do we stand? Member Discussion and Decision
• CARA Monday Phone Banking

Berkeley Rent Board 2026 Convention Planning 

• What are concerns for rent control and board elections in 2026? 
• Affirm long-time sponsorship 

Recommendations to Board

Upcoming Topics and Speakers 

ANNOUNCEMENTS & EVENTS

October 18, No Kings national day of protest

October 22, 2025 Annual EBGP Board Elections

Board/Member Meeting - 1st Wednesdays

Member Socials - 2nd Wednesdays

Public Meeting - Oct. 22, 2025 - 4th Wednesdays)

Adjourn 3:30

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Unedited Automated Transcript - May contain errors

Respect each other, step… A step back. The same… the same… it's nothing unusual.

Thank you. Yeah, that's right.

Nothing at all. Mm-mm.

Uh, is there anything you'd like to suggest we add?

Or takeaway.

Nothing, no, no, uh-uh, no.

Okay. Well, thank you. So, we do want our… our members to…

accept this. Carol's made sure we've been announcing it.

You know, for at least 6 months worth of meetings, so…

Thank you, Ms. Cecilia.

Uh, Carol, did you want me to…

And I don't think we brought it to the general membership that long ago.

go over the agenda and…

Oh, yes, ma'am.

I wanted to say this, that I thought we had voted on…

Yes, as a board.

But we have a larger membership

Okay. Mm-hmm.

you know, of people who don't come to the board meetings,

Uh, or don't always come to our member meetings, but we have this annual… once a year, it's called the member meeting.

And it's, uh, it's election to the board, so, um, we're gonna need you.

Uh, at that meeting, since you are the only person not running again,

Uh, not running again for the board. I mean, you are… you are a board member for another year. The rest of us

Our terms have expired.

So, um, but let me… let me start, if you're good, Miss…

Ms. Cecilia, I'm just gonna go…

do the agenda, thank you. So, um, we have a pretty…

Yeah, sometimes, mhm.

Uh, we… we do not have guest speakers today, but we do have people who… I'm hoping, will give us more information about activities we've been involved in. So, our…

Board reports, uh…

I'd love a little check-in.

briefly about the Solano Stroll, uh, 3 people at least tended the table and handed out things.

Uh, then, uh, we'll talk about, um, board member nominations and elections.

And, um, I did want to, um…

uh, offer, uh,

an email exchange that Helen Walsh, our board member, and I had,

Um, and… and it's about our commitment to,

Um, senior and disability rights, so if that's okay, I thought I'd take a few minutes and read a little bit, uh, from that exchange, so…

Um, and then, uh, a number of

We're then… we were going to talk about Prop 50, which is called the Election Rigging Response Act.

of 2025. And this is something Hallie and Robert and I'm sure others of you, have

We're able to go to the…

Friday forum with Kara, California Alliance of Retired Americans, but I'm depend… I wasn't able to go, so I'm depending on you all.

to lead that discussion, um, pros and cons, so that we could, as members, make a clear determination that we support it. We usually support CARA's work, but

Um, or… or if there's a reason to be neutral.

We can do that. The League of Women Voters decided not to…

vote on it and chose to be neutral.

Um, and most… and if we do… so, if we can, um…

I will do that, then we're going to talk about the Berkeley Rent Board convention planning,

Uh, and any, um…

Carol Morasovic, I'm hoping, will come on and talk

Uh, about our follow-up.

at the city around homelessness solidarity. Yeah?

Oh, great! You made it, Carol!

Carol is on.

So, uh, that'll be later in the agenda.

Um, and then we, uh, have any further recommendations that members here today

Um, um…

want to…

refer to the board. The board will meet the first…

Wednesday of, um, October.

So, we can do that.

Uh, and then there's announcements, and we'll get to those.

At the end of the meeting, and then we'll adjourn no later than 3.30.

Is my hope. Or at least I need to get off back then.

So, um…

Thank you all. Uh…

So, board reports. Uh, we met on the first Wednesday of October.

Is there any report back from the folks who did the outreach at Solano Stroll?

We haven't had October yet, have we?

I'm sorry, I'm mistaken. We had our September board meeting the first week of September.

So, thank you, Julian.

Is there someone who could speak?

to, uh, outreach, and that was, uh…

Robert, you were there.

Margo went and, uh…

Uh, Christy, yeah.

and Helen, so we had 3…

Christy and Helen.

Three board members and a member emeritus.

Does anybody want to… how was that, Robert?

Well, we didn't get much, you know, people came by. But I did get one person who's filled out with the form, but didn't give it any contribution.

If you want me to, I can… I get it in my computer, and then… I could probably…

Maybe to you.

Do you have the name of this interested person? Maybe someone knows them.

Let me see if I can find any…

Okay, personally. It looks like it's G, G-V, G-A-I-L-A.

Kerrunner.

And if it's listed at 15-15 Market Street in Oakland. 94607…

Just…

Okay, does anyone know her?

Yeah. It's hard to make out the email, the email address, but there is a phone number, 510.

That's okay, Robert. We're not… we don't…

472-1950, I'll…

Okay, we don't need… we… I just wanted to see if anybody recognized her name.

Yeah, and we'll be in touch.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

later. But…

This is frozen. Maybe she can turn her, um…

Window… composer window. And just use audio when she comes back.

I don't have the agenda in front of me.

Maybe you better reminder again.

Okay… Yeah, I'm gonna steerity.

Okay, board reports, um… Robert, do you have a treasurer's report?

Well, not really, but I can… Pull one up.

Well, it doesn't seem worth it to just us few people.

Um, we need to do board nominations. We have elections in October.

And Dirk Niehart. Is up for the board.

He's in the meeting today. Derek, would you like to speak?

Oh, thank you.

Okay.

How many people… is there a specific number that's supposed to be on the… on the board?

No, we don't have a specific number. There may be a minimum number.

What is the minimum?

But we have the minimum. Um…

I think 9 is a full board. And we have to have at least 5…

Members present to have a quorum. For the board meetings, or to take votes, either 5…

Board members minimum, or 10… 10 members that have paid dues.

Betsy's calling me, I was gonna call her. Betsy?

Hi, Carol, stuff. Made to your co-host. Are people still on, or is the whole thing… Yes, people are still on.

Okay, well, I… I… you're co-host. And for some reason, all I see was pink.

Start… let's see… I can't hear you. What? I can't hear you.

I may not. Be able to just join.

Rejoin the meeting. Oh. Seeing that if that happens. Yeah, I'm having… you know, I'm on a…

I call them satellite. Kind of satellite.

In the next service, and it's wobbly. So I'm trying to get back on now.

Okay. But, um… Do you want to ask… maybe you guys can just start.

We'll get back to the board report. But, um, maybe we can just start talking about the…

Cop60. And, uh, and the phone, you know, if anyone has anything to.

Or, um. Wants to know more about the CARA funding baking. That's something…

Hell no about phone banking. Okay.

I think… bank, you know, phone banking.

And you can ask her, and I'm trying to get on. Like we lost Hallie. We got a couple other people.

No, there's I, okay. Okay. Okay, otherwise we should restart the meeting, because I'm trying…

Okay, I'm back. Sorry for the delay, um… Can you hear me?

Okay, Betsy's on, uh, satellite service. She's on the East Coast.

And she's going to try to come back. Um…

Yes? Do you want to put me on speakerphone, or…

Yeah, you're on speakerphone. Let me see if people can hear you.

Speak, Betsy. Hi, everyone. I feel embarrassed of my…

Internet connection went down. Can you hear, Betsy?

I can. She's not appearing on the screen at all.

No, she's not got her on the telephone. But you can hear her.

Okay.

Yeah, I can hear her, but… How is she… I mean, how are we… is she just called in? Is that what you're saying? But…

Oh, she called you. Oh, okay, I was wondering, because I didn't see your name on the screen anyway.

She called me, yes, she's on my telephone.

Yeah. But… I'm trying to get back to this room.

Um, but… Yeah, she's trying to get back in. What I suggest is… is good.

So how… could you talk about the phone banking? Otherwise, in the, uh…

Agenda of that program we sent, there's… a link to a description of Prop 50.

So if there's… we want to talk about that. Let's see if I can…

Okay, well, yeah, well… Well, CAR is… yeah, Cara is doing phone banking.

Go ahead.

Um, on Mondays from noon to 2. And it's, uh, you know, it's not in person, so you have to sign up for it.

And they have a training first. But Cara is also linking people to other groups that are doing phone banking at other times.

I haven't started doing it yet. I'm gonna be doing mine starting, you know, in October. I can do one day.

So, uh, I may do other dates. With other organizations, but it's basic… you all know about Prop 50 and what's going on, I imagine.

Um, so I don't really have to reiterate that. But it sounds like they're… Kara is calling just seniors.

And they're getting, from what I understand, really good responses for it.

So that's as much information as I have.

Okay, cars have us about 4 or 5… or the phone bank that they're with.

Has about 4 or 5 slots every day, and I think it's 4 days a week.

So there are a lot of thoughts, but the, um, car is calling seniors from 12 to 2.

On Monday. And that's the only one that car is… It's seniors calling seniors.

The other ones are all mixed up. And if anyone's not familiar with Prop 50, it's…

Uh, Trump asked Texas. For five Republican.

Um, seats in Congress. So, the legislature got together.

And voted… to redistrict mid-census instead of waiting until the census in 2030.

They have 5 more Republican seats in Texas now. And because of that.

Um, only California can balance that 5 seats, New York. It's set up… to prevent gerrymandering, and it's so difficult that it's just not likely to get anything from New York.

And then there are a few smaller states, Missouri, I think.

May have, uh, voted a seat to… added a seat. For the Republican, or they may be working on it.

And there's… there are up to 5 states where they're talking about.

Changing the seats. And that includes, um… both Republican and Democratic states.

And California has… set up a…

Uh, redistricting. For 2025, it's this…

Yes, on Prop 50 campaign. Um…

But there sunsets in 2030. In 2030, it goes back to the same rules that we have.

In play now, which prevent, um, gerrymandering in California. I don't know if that was clear.

Um… Is everyone clear on what… Prop 50 is about.

Yeah, I am.

Okay. Would anyone else like this? Shahana, would you like to share?

This didn't raise my hand. I don't know why… okay.

Can't hear you, Hannah. Now I can.

You've got a way again.

Now we can't hear you again.

All right. Can you hear me now?

Sort of.

I don't know why.

Let me just stop here. Okay. I'm sorry.

Okay.

What? Why don't you just call in?

I don't… I don't know why I can't… I'm… heard, but, um, can you hear me now if I stop driving?

Yes. Yes?

Is that better? Okay, so I'm very…

Oh, but I… I have to say that my own first reaction.

To this, um, bill, or this, uh, this, um. Initiative was that.

Uh, we can't fix a room with a right, or a wrong with a wrong.

Anyway, I'm just wondering if Kara is in their training, is offering, besides.

The logistics of how to use the call system? Um, if they're also helping, uh, folks, um, understand the arguments and the talking points.

Or if there's something…

They go over briefly during the training, but they had a special program on it already.

The long… went along, there's… nope.

I think.

Something… Betsy, I have to disconnect, it's beeping.

Maybe it's recorded.

I'm not sure what happened there, okay.

That, uh, some, like, 3-hour programs. And I left convinced that I would vote for it, even though it is a very bad bill, and had bad, uh, connotations.

Uh, but… Perfect has a whole political machinists behind it. I'm gonna vote for it.

But among the fact connotations is we have… We have already put in our Constitution that we have a commission.

For broadcast tracks. First, well, what…

Go over that, uh… submissions that we set up, and not only.

Uh, not what the Commission operate this election, but won't let that operate in the next.

I missed that last part that you said, in the next two elections.

Yeah, that connection will not operate. That is… that we will have the districts that are defunding this bill.

But there really would, and anyone interested, I invite you to see how we go these districts are.

Um, on the phone banking, they do have talking points, and they introduce the talking points.

But don't present. The other side of the argument. The thing I listened to present the pro and con.

And I thought that was wonderful. They have the cons.

They were quite persuasive. But I fell, um, sick and was said, oh, I will vote yes.

Not retribution, I still… That was the idea of two wrongs don't make a right.

But we do have to have… a vector, right?

That one thing I've… Access…

Um, Carol, I think you had your hand up first.

Okay, uh, thanks. So, it's really very simple. You know, we're at a critical turning point in our country.

We don't have control in Congress now. And our civil liberties are being chipped away at.

We're losing, uh, funding for significant programs. Whether you're an immigrant or just a low-income person, you're…

You're losing right now. In Congress, because the Republicans have control of Congress. The Republicans are, uh, decided in Texas.

That they want to redistrict. So that they could solidify.

Maintaining control of Congress, where we can anticipate that, or I don't know if anticipate is the right word, expect.

There were all… everything that we're on the road to losing, we are going to lose. I mean, and that includes, uh, attacks on, uh, housing subsidies.

I mean, across the… Medicaid, Medicare, ever… all these things. So the bottom line is, they want to solidify their position.

So, California is just taking the response. That this is how we.

Redistrict so that we… uh, can increase Democratic seats.

Yeah, I mean, you could get stuck in ideology of, oh, this is wrong, so two wrongs don't… make a right, and then you just lose.

With your… you lose everything else. You just have to… approach situations like this in a very pragmatic way, and the.

Pragmatically, this is how California needs to respond. To offset what has happened in Texas.

So that we hope we can… gain more positions in Congress.

Bye. Thank you, Carol.

Thank you.

Yeah, hi.

Well, it's…

Robert was… had his hand up next, and then Hallie. Okay. And I'd like to be in the pack.

Okay.

Got it. Robert?

Okay, you want me to go? Normally, I would oppose any mid… decade reinforcement.

But Texas is doing it. And I think we have to fight back.

In my opinion. In my opinion.

Mid… mid-decade redistricting should be… it gets to be illegal and should be applied to all 50 states.

The Texas can't pull crap like that, and what it's doing.

So I think that we have to support 50, we have to do the… do the three districts, and just to fight back at Texas.

Yeah, because I… because they're going… they don't have to… Now, Texas doesn't have to.

Have an election. I think we have to have this election.

Norma? Yeah. Can you get in?

Okay.

No, I couldn't find an address. You couldn't find the length?

Sorry? You couldn't find the link?

I couldn't find the address. It's… it's on Zoom.

It's on Zoom. Yes, it's a speaker meeting.

We're just gonna disconnect me from you. And then what?

You'll be in the meeting when you go on Zoom. Oh, okay.

Hi, Betsy. I gotta go back to the meeting.

Okay, what I want to ask is, uh. Norma and I booked.

And can book for our endorsement. Calls have passed for promotion.

Okay, we're still having a discussion. Howie's coming up next.

Yeah, um… As far as this two wrongs don't make a right.

Okay.

We have had wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong on the Republican side.

Um, we have never had such a clear threat to our democracy or our Constitution.

And we need to do something. To counteract what's being done illegally in other places.

That's the way I look at it.

Thank you. Now, um… Nancy, and then Carol.

I'm sorry, Nancy, and then, uh, Betsy, and then Carol.

I just put a link, um, a couple minutes ago, um, from a CalMatters commentary.

Uh, regarding Prop 50, uh, and basically why it's important to defend that.

My hand is up.

Okay, I'm sorry. Um…

Nancy went. Hello? Yeah, Betsy, go ahead.

Um, so… Um, I took some thought, you know, on this, and here's…

Here's three reasons why I'm comfortable. An overriding our… previous ballot proposition.

Which calls for a citizen to redistricting process. So this proposition.

Authorizes temporary changes. To our congressional district maps.

In response to Texas. Uh, redistricting.

And it is, um… what I like about it is that we, the voters, are being asked for permission.

By the legislature. Uh, they will put… have a special election on November 4th.

In which we will vote on this. That's, like, two, two… you know, this proposition is not… like, being imposed.

On us. It is being proposed. To us. So I appreciate that. And it's over in 2030.

In the 2030 election. We will revisit this whole thing.

So that's… that's why I support it. Um, but I do understand, it's like, wait, you worked really hard to get, you know, bipartisan…

Neutrals, this one redistricting. Um, but I appreciate the fact that it's an urgent response.

And have a sunset. It's over in 4 years, but it… So, um, and I do want to, like, actually call it, though, and see where we're at. I will vote for this, but that doesn't mean everyone here.

Has to vote for it, but it's part of its Great Panthers endorsing it.

Um, I would just… if someone would make a motion. Discussed it thoroughly.

So moved. So moved.

Then I would like to see that, Carol, if you… if you're up for calling the motion.

Controlling for emotion. Okay, Dave So moved.

So moved. Okay, and Mrs. Celia seconded the motion.

Second emotion, I second that motion.

Who, who moved? Dave made the motion, and Ms. Cecilia seconded the motion.

Thank you. Okay. And remember, this is all voted members can vote on this, so…

Yeah, um… Are there any further questions, or…

Well, I just want to say that I was very disappointed to see.

Something that needs to be said that has.

Excuse me, excuse me, Bessie, you got to file… you got to follow through with the motion. You have not carried the motion.

No, we're still discussing the most.

Discussion. We're still discussing this, Cecilia.

Okay, I didn't hear that part. I didn't hear when the question came up, the discussion. I didn't hear that part. That's why I asked.

Uh, okay.

Okay. A day's way, I've got two people ahead of you.

I wanted to say that I was very disappointed. Okay.

Sorry. Okay, Julia?

She stepped away.

Carol.

Yes.

Carol, did you want to say something?

Oh, I thought we were, uh, voting right now. Um, I just wanna… I was only gonna add that we… as this moves ahead.

Oh, you guys have your hand?

Uh, we can expect a lot of commercials. From people in power, and they have the money.

To make every argument possible to defeat this. And… there couldn't be something that's…

More critical right now as to us to try to get back our position in Congress.

And stop everything that's going on. Um, there'll be enough arguments against it.

And we can't even count on that this is definitely going to pass.

Because it's always been that the people with the most money.

When the elections. Thank you.

Okay, Julia?

Julia, did you want to speak?

I think everybody's probably said what I was going to say. I would normally never vote for a bill like this.

Uh, simply because I've spent most of my life fighting gerrymandering.

But these are just desperate times. I mean, I am really scared every time I watch the news.

Or here, one of the, uh… incredibly frightening things that Trump comes out with.

Yeah.

And uh… I've never experienced anything like that in my long lifetime.

And, uh, so I'm willing to fuzz a little bit, because if we play fair.

We're not gonna get anywhere. And the country is going… it's not going to be our country anymore, but there really is now.

That's how I wanted to say.

Right, you can't play fair when other… the other side is not playing fair.

Correct.

I know, I mean… is… I mean, I don't… on one level, I don't believe in that, and on the other level, I see it's absolutely necessary.

And I think that's the way most of us feel.

So, I will do it. And I'm merely angry that I'm forced into it having to do it.

Wait a minute, you've ignored me 3 times now, and I'm the maker of the motion. Can I at least say something?

Okay, I'm going to call the question. How many…

Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, David. Go ahead.

Um, I just wanted to say that everybody who thought that Arnold Schwarzenegger was Republican-like.

He jumped right to the fore to be the spokesperson for the NON 50 campaign.

And, uh, he's a scumbag like all of them.

I don't know how what you said. Are you agreeing with Schwarzenegger or not?

He voted yes.

He is the… he is the spokesperson for No On 50.

It's not Schwarzenegger.

The spokesperson. He is the front man for No On 50.

Wait a minute, what? Wait a minute, what?

No!

Okay, but he's changed his position. Have you heard that? I'm almost sure that's what I heard, so…

So…

Just check on it, check on it. Put it out there.

All right, redemption. I take it all the time.

Okay, never mind what I said then. Okay, if that's true.

But right now…

I know.

God bless them. He's all over their literature.

Somebody Google it quick!

Find out.

Yeah, I thought I heard him, uh, oppose it, or, I mean, support 50 and oppose… taxes.

No, I see no evidence of that. Are you sure, Norma?

No, I said, uh, I'm not sure. I have a slight memory of him coming on TV and saying.

He thinks, yes. So, you find out, and I'm gonna go find out, too.

But I'm not sure to do it fast enough for this product.

Whereas everything, including. Everything, including a… everything including AI, says that Schwarzenegger is totally against 50.

Very clearly against.

All of it.

Well, I have the same memory that Norma has.

Okay, I turned them off so I can hear you.

I do, too. I do, too. Have the same memory.

Fred and LA Times.

For a roll call. I'm about to, but I've got too many people talking at one time, and as.

Trying to hear you, too. Okay, I'm sorry. You can mute them.

I see absolutely no evidence. That Schwarzenegger has changed his position at all.

No. I just looked it up.

Uh, this is help, and I can post an article of his opposition that was just from yesterday.

To help folks, and allow me to do that. I'm using a screen reader, so I'll get that in there shortly.

Yeah.

It doesn't make any difference what those people think. You'll find out.

Just tell me what it says.

Okay? So I just… I just…

What did you say, Betsy? You can mute them! I did! I mute… they're muted now, so I can hear you, but I can't moderate when they're muted.

He said.

Well, this is Care Oak. This is…

Okay, so this is Carol. Okay, this is Carol Morasovic.

Nope. So… to mute them, not yourself.

And can you… right, can you hear me? Okay, so I just googled it while we were on this call.

Go ahead, do what you… do what you need to do. Okay.

Yes.

That we, uh, you know, we wanted to vote on this.

And I looked, and I went through about 10 articles. They all say that he opposes Prop 50.

And then… Okay.

I know, you want me to have them stop talking and vote, but I… they're going on and on while we're… while you're telling me what I'm already gonna do.

Okay, okay.

Yes.

So, okay, so can you hear me? Okay, so I just googled it and ran through about 10 articles. They all say.

Very openly.

That he opposes Prop 50. And there was an article specifically on Geronardo Schwarzenegger. It's probably gonna be the one that decides the election.

That's… it's gonna probably turn on him, because people vote. Celebrities, and they vote image.

And they may very well go with Schwarzenegger, but he is opposing.

No. Opposition 50 is gonna pass. Proposition 50 will pass. We have to look for it, but it will pass.

I hope!

It doesn't make me… what those people think. The answer is yes, you support it.

You want them to have some access. To mess with these people that are messing with us.

Right.

Okay, let's pause the question. All those in favor?

Yes, folk, yes.

Bye.

Uh, second, I guess.

I need virtual hands from the people that are… okay. This is Robert and Patrick.

Uh, I came… my computer's not working the right. Aye.

How many… do we have any no votes?

It doesn't make any difference what Schwarzenegger thinks.

Okay, it's done.

Here, uh, you wouldn't know? Okay.

No, I'm voting yes. I took my hand down. I had my hand up because…

Okay, do we have any abstentions? How are you abstaining? Um…

Um, I'm trying to lower my hand. I voted yes.

Okay, good. Okay, motion carries.

We did it. Unanimously.

Unanimously.

Everybody else hasn't had a chance to find a way to log on.

Jesse and, uh, what's her name? Betsy and Raines? They've gone through stark grape… They have gone, hello?

I'm holding right for you.

Betsy and Raines have gone stark raving mad over the computer.

And have input everything that ever passed by in their lives.

And you can't get anything done through the stuff that they've posted.

For us to join the meeting. I was on for an hour trying to connect.

Now, norm… norm… Norma, they're trying to connect by satellite, and the satellite.

I don't know why you have trouble if you…

Rain felt at 1 o'clock that afternoon. Be able to…

Service isn't that good. They're in New England.

Well. They're wrong.

Go on to something else that's interesting. Yeah, go under something else that's interesting.

Okay, Norma, can you stop, please? Please stop, Norma.

Yes. Yeah. Always.

I like that thumbs out.

Okay. The motion carried. We're going to support Prop 50.

Why don't you repeat that a bunch of times?

She's being sarcastic, ignore her.

Well…

Okay… And I can't see the agenda.

Uh, we're now… Um.

There it is. I wanted to know if… I want to raise my hand, Phil.

The next… the next study? On the agenda.

Is the Parkland Rec Board. Are we continuing our sponsorship? Uh, we went forward convention planning. Okay.

Uh, but honestly, we could also… have announcements, and then regroup at the board meeting in two weeks.

Another option. I'm sorry, what was the other option?

Uh, we could convince… Why don't we go ahead with that, and then Carol has an announcement.

But we can reconvene. If at the board meeting with all of the members joining.

Board meetings on November. The… discussing… We're going to continue…

Convention planning for the Berkeley Rent Board will do at the board meeting.

Well, he could… I would like to do it now. Okay, then let me do it.

Okay, thank you. I just want to know, because we're… We're a little bit on the hook to put in some money.

As a sponsor. If we're going to be a sponsor, then we should.

Could be a couple hundred bucks.

Okay, the Berkeley Rent Board, the… Ray… Berkeley Ray Panthers.

Has supported the Berkeley Rent Board, um, nomination convention in prior years.

And we need to decide if we're going to do that again this year. If so.

We need to, um… We need to pay… pay several hundred dollars to support.

The election.

Okay, I'm happy. Suppose the election.

Can I add one thing? Wait a minute. We put in a couple hundred dollars.

Betty, Betsy's suggesting that we put in a couple hundred dollars.

It's not mandatory. It's not mandatory.

We're going to have to pay to what? Use the Senior Center. It's not free.

Oh, okay, it's… If there'll be…

It would help pay for the Senior Center where the election will be held, or the, uh… But we haven't decided yet, but I wanna…

We're meeting on Sunday. Okay. Okay, Betsy wants to be able to go back and tell them on Sunday whether or not we're going to join in the.

Rent board this year. Excuse me, Betsy.

Dirk, go ahead.

Dirk? Derek, you're on mute.

Okay, Dirk, we'll come back to you. Helen?

Yeah, I'm just kind of trying to get clarification. I'm understanding that Betsy is trying to put forward on our agenda that we take a vote.

On funds, uh, for an upcoming meeting so that. The… whatever we donate, I think Betsy said a few hundred dollars.

Uh, would pay for the rent. Of the venue, where this is taking place. I could not grasp what the org… the name of the organization won.

And two, do we know how much are in our funds, and if we can afford that? So that's my question.

We have funds, um… we… this is something we've done before, it's the support of Berkeley, uh.

Okay, it's for the red port, now I get it, because I was not sure.

Rent Board. Yeah, and the help pay for the rental at South Berkeley.

Um.

Senior Center.

Okay. Well, um, I… I feel good about that. Um, I'm hoping others might, you know, join in the conversation.

Yes, I'm trying to get my video on, I can't do it somehow, I don't know why.

Okay, Dave, next.

Well, Carol?

There it is.

Starting off. Um, yes, Betsy, um… you were not quite fully clear about whether or not it will be an in-person convention. There hasn't been one for 8 years.

They took advantage of the pandemic to cancel in-person conventions.

Yeah, the… the planning team… So far, has been meetings.

Erratically since February. And we're now at a place where, one, we want to affirm who are the sponsor.

Actually challenge you. The East Bay Democratic Socialists of America.

Uh, some student groups. Um, who do a lot of work.

Outreach to tenants. Um, and gray panthers is…

You know, even though we don't endorse. Selected candidates, we are still part of.

It's planning collaborative, whatever you want to call it. Uh, so their desire is to have a.

Hybrid meeting at a place. That can accommodate up to 200 people, because that's.

What it used to be, uh, or more, when. Get that in person, so… We have not yet chosen.

The in-person venue? But, uh, uh, the place that is.

Has enough chairs, enough space. And we'll, we'll, uh, let us reserve.

Space this year, in 2025, for something that's happening. In February or March of 26.

This is kind of, uh, affirming that we would like to be a member of this.

Convention planning team. Um, and I don't need to be the only person. I would love to have another.

Member here who would like to step up. But what is… the issue is.

I'll be willing, uh, puncture. Uh, once again, and do we all…

And this year, can we put up. You know, uh, up to…

Betty, Betsy, you haven't answered my question quite yet. I'm still trying to hear from you.

$200.

Are they definitely going to have a hybrid meeting, a real meeting, or is that just a hope?

What are you saying? I don't want to give them any money, you know where I see him, Betsy. I don't want to give them any money unless they're really going to have a convention.

And they are willing… $100 deposit.

So, I'm sorry, bud.

Yep. I… as you know, as you can well imagine, I don't want to give them any money unless they're really going to have a convention, so please be clear, have they decided definitely to rent a space and have a convention?

Or is it maybe?

Okay, I'm bringing back the information to the group. Other people have brought back.

The cost and availability of other locations. And I can tell you this was…

Uh, none of the other places allow reservations. This far in advance, so… Yes, the group would like to do it in person.

We have to look at the budget and see what sponsors are able to contribute, because no, the.

A planning collaborative, right? Does not have a budget.

Uh, and any money it does raise goes to help. The candidates that we… endorse the slate of candidates for the right work week.

Might put that money into. Actually promoting them.

Um, but, uh…

Wait a minute, as you know, if our money is going to go towards the camp… Betsy.

You want to sell me… I think… so I am… I am acting proactively.

To say that right here, I hope to be able to say.

Brain cancers, watch the sponsor, and can put up money. If we're not ready to do that, then I'll just.

Deliver the information.

Betsy, you've raised another issue. Can I please get clarification? You've raised the issue that the money that we raise will go to support the slate. Is that what you said?

Did I misunderstand?

No, because we are raising the money for the convention. But other money gets raised.

Okay, good. Because that would endanger our status.

Later here. So right now, it's just…

Uh, we take, you know, it's… the bill is gonna be about $400.

To have the convention indoors in a place with decent internet.

And tables and chairs. It'll be a little more if we wanna… have to. But basically, the budget…

You know, it's not huge. A few hundred dollars, and we don't have to put in $200, but I…

Robert can confirm this, but I believe we have over $5,000 in the bank.

As you speak. So, you know.

I have to decide now about… I would like to test the waters.

I would be in favor of voting. I would be in favor of voting to give them $200.

Yeah.

If and when they book a place. Until then, I do not want to give the PTU $200 of our money.

Okay, so get a proposal.

So, let's make a distinction. That we can be… we can… it's like a… it's like a Kickstarter, I would…

It's like a Kickstarter.

Until we have a $5,000 deposit. We have to give the Senior Center a $5,000 deposit.

Now, we know Greg Panthers doesn't have to pay off. I'm sorry, $500 deposit.

We don't have to pay all that. But there has to be some… people, you know, ponying up.

That closet. Uh, and that's where I'm at.

What's that got to do with whether or not we give $200 towards renting the place?

I don't see what the deposit has to do with that.

Well, that money is hard cash, so we can't promise. If he promised $100 to contribute.

Then, uh, it's still not possible to book the. And you said, you don't want to put any money in.

So we booked the place, and that's not possible to book the place.

Someplace.

So what are you saying? That they're never going to be able to book the place?

Without the deposit. But I feel…

Revisit this. We can revisit this. It's not ready.

Okay, let's get some more information and be revisited, if you don't mind. I'd like to get some clarity.

Okay. So, I've still… I've got 3 people that wanted to share, should we…

I guess we'll go ahead and call on them, and then move on to something else.

Dirk? Please.

Clearly, we are not endorsing a political candidate. For the rent for golf us. We are merely discussing.

Giving them some money to book a place. Is that correct?

Didn't understand. Are we giving them the money to book the place?

Yes.

That's what we're discussing. Well, I think we're tabling it for now, unless I'm mistaken.

Yep. Well, I always think it in two parts. Why don't we take… why don't we take this.

Part. If there's a motion. To… I would like to… I would like to know.

There's support for us continuing. To participate in the Resport Convention Planning team.

As its monitor. We've done it for years. Are we continuing?

We haven't given them money for 8 years. We haven't given them money, unless I'm mistaken, for 8 years.

I don't… I don't… I can't understand. I can't understand internal. You need to translate.

Isn't that true?

Dave said, we haven't given them money for 8 years, is that true?

I have no idea. I don't think we've given them any money since I've been president.

Coping enough, you know? Yeah. But other people were part, you know, other…

Other, uh, board members for partisan planning team, Eleanor Walton. Was the last one.

No, I don't think we'd be giving them money, but… I'm working around computers.

You know, I'm only gonna have… Okay.

Dirk? Dirk, did you want to share… you need to take your hand down if you don't want to share.

I just want to second the idea. Tet table first. Idea until we have more clarity.

Second, second.

Yeah, I'm… raised my hand for this, yeah.

Yeah, I agree with that, too.

Okay, stables.

Carol, did you have something else to share?

Well, I was just gonna say. Berkeley Tenants Union has.

An expansive mailing list. Um, and so… and they charge dues.

It's not clear why they can't pay themselves for the rental of a room.

This is essentially… hand-picked Berkeley Tenants Union candidates.

Which they basically end up reaffirming. After election, let me finish, and.

Well. Yes, ma'am.

I don't believe in loyalty oaths, I don't believe in autocracy, I don't believe in dictatorships.

This is all what we're facing nationally. So, I don't think it's a reason to support things, but I do believe in tenants' rights.

That's what I want to say, but it's been tabled anyway. Thank you.

Okay. No. I'm sorry.

Table. Yes. We're tabling the issue.

Okay, both, both. Being part of it, and… oh!

All right.

If I'm understanding, if I… and I hope it's okay, Carol, I think what I'm understanding with what I can hear.

There was another thing that Betsy wanted to know if. The other thing was us being involved in the planning. Is that what… is that what I heard? So there is also…

There's two parts. Uh, funding, which is being tabled. The other part is, do we want to be involved in the planning? Is that…

What you're asking, Betsy? Part of the planning committee.

Yeah, I… yeah. Gotcha. I have a going…

I think that… and that… Hold… okay.

And that doesn't come with having to be funding anything. I think we're just trying to form.

Who wants to be a part of that, but we need to know that, so if we're interested in being a part of the committee, I think that's what you're moving forward, or as a question to us, yes?

Yeah, that is, uh… It is a committee with representatives.

Okay.

Of sponsoring organizations. With straps being solidified.

Kudos are. Great Catherine just did one for…

A decade, I don't know. Maybe longer.

So, I mean, just to get things going, I move that.

We form a committee to help with the planning of this upcoming, which I think you're saying is in November?

I don't think we need to plan a committee, we just need consent.

Uh, one, you know, representative, which I've been doing. But I'd like at least one other person who can.

Contracting to be a backup. So, I think we're close.

To the motion. It is, uh… But yes, do we want to be part of this planning collaboration.

We do not have to form our own committee fees.

Okay, so that already exists. Basically. Asking to have a…

Somebody to come along with you with this planning so you're not doing it alone.

Yeah, I… I've been thinking of Michael Hegnerky. He's… he's not here today, but he is the member who's active.

On other of the… Berkeley housing issues and…

Uh, you know, one of the… one of the graduates members attended the Union.

And might be able to… feedback. Someone else.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I'm understanding you're kind of inviting… inviting somebody if they're also interested, but you have somebody also in mind. I think that's great.

So, it's really just really just formally does the membership. You know, we could wish to recommend to the board if there's more decisions.

To be made. But yeah, I would love to get an affirmation that.

We do… we do… that great parents should still be involved in the conversation.

About serves on the Red Board. Part of my take on it.

Wanted to have a genius, please check that email.

Because we're among the… yeah. Dominated by…

Aye. I was a cow student at one time.

I feel like we need to keep bringing up the voices of older and disabled.

Whatever her name is. Yeah, what's her first name?

Thanks.

I'm sure this is something you can handle, Betsy, if we don't need a vote, is that correct?

Mora, yeah. So, uh, CC, Rick.

You know, there are hands up, and… I want to say that part of the obligate… there's an obligation.

Alright, hard work. What's the name of that group?

When you, uh, get involved in the planning. So there's…

Dirk, can you put yourself on mute?

Yeah.

So, there's an obligation when you become part of this. That you will… you have to take a loyalty…

World War II. That's from first concert.

That you cannot support or endorse anybody else. Regardless of who they turn out to be.

Without knowing who the candidates are. You're essentially giving… relinquishing your democratic rights.

I want the ticket for me, and… 4 tickets per kiss.

By agreeing to be part of this planning process.

I can't hear what anybody's saying with all the talk over. Carol, can you recollect this somehow so we can actually just move forward?

Of words.

Yeah. Dirk… Dirk?

Cross-size sales fees.

Dirk! You need to put yourself on mute, we can't hear.

Where is that fuse?

Okay, um, I'm gonna call on Julia.

Okay, alright, I've got my mute off now. Okay, I'm a member of the Berkeley Tenants Union.

And, uh, actually, I think I'm still a member of the steering committee.

But…

Excuse me, I'll turn this off. What I wanted to say is we need some people to go to that, uh.

To go to that planning convention, because the people that run it have been running it, uh, one of them is just really intent on making up rules and oaths and crap like that, which I… certainly oppose. And the last time I voted in it, I even had to swear an oath in order to be able to vote, which had never been the case before.

And I… so I would really like us to get people in there.

Who would try to put a halt to this kind of thing. There's only one person that… and I'm not going to name names, who's really into that kind of thing.

But that person seems to have a lot of, uh… weight in making decisions, so I think it's important that we put somebody in that.

Because the… you know, it's a tenant, the rent board is very important to me.

And, uh, I'm really interested in getting good, you know, getting good people on the board.

Uh, I suffered one year, then had to pay several hundred dollars a month for a number of years, because one year the rent, uh, the landlords took over the rent board.

So, I'm very aware that we tenants need. To have the right people on the rent board in order to make it service in our best interest.

Uh, that's all I have to say right now. But I do encourage people to, um.

To… to help Bepsi. With, uh… I feel a little awkward, you know, volunteering myself, since I'm also a member of the tenants' Union.

Feels a little like I'm riding divorces at the same time, or something.

Uh, but I encourage the rest of you to join in.

That's all I have to say right now. Thank you.

Okay. Dirk?

I just want to make sure an over-publicity, we have ourselves as a.

A falter of a run fork.

I'm sorry, I didn't understand what you said.

Or perhaps someone else could interpret. We want to be a sponsor of the Rent Board.

He wants it made public, I think, so to give us credit.

Is that correct, Dirk?

Yeah, on Sir, literature, yes.

Yeah, on the literature, he's saying that we should, uh, it should be clear that we are a sponsor.

Of this.

Yeah.

They didn't vote…

That might cost us $200.

Well, the money we put on hold… But we were going to vote on whether we want to support the Rent Board.

Uh, can see all in favor?

Um, and… how… well, uh, any…

Okay, I don't see… I see three hands up, but I don't see any… I'm assuming… wait a minute…

I'm not sure exactly what we're voting on.

That's… So am I. Betsy, what are you trying to say?

I'm unclear what you're asking for.

We can continue this. Because, uh, we can continue this conversation at the board meeting.

Okay, we'll talk about this on the board. We'll talk about this further at the board meeting on October… in the first week in October.

It'll be the first Wednesday in October at 1.30 p.m. And all members are welcome to attend.

So that said, however. I do want to say, Carol, hostage-based raised.

A really important issue, which is that. Decision Friday.

Self, you know, self-organized collaborative. That plan to convention decides things like the questions that will be asked.

And the criteria. That candidate, people who want to be endorsed.

Have to abide by. And there's, uh, there's also…

Agreement stuff to members of the collaborative, like our organization. Would abide by, which is that.

Uh, we would not endorse any candidates, but we would not endorse.

People who… which we don't do, but we wouldn't endorse. Even Carol, who ran for the rent board, and she was…

You know, a great Panther member. We did not endorse her, not just.

Because we don't… there's candidates, but because… We, uh, because we have an agreement that, as a sponsor of this.

Convention, we will support the slate, and the slate only. And we don't campaign for the slate.

But we don't campaign for anyone else, either. That's… That's the organization. That doesn't mean individuals.

And I think… Okay, we've tabled the discussion until the board meeting. Let's see what that… Okay, and I will just say, we could get the current, the new.

Chair of the steering committee at the Berkeley Tenants Union could come in, and it's not… It's a new space who's doing good work, and we could ask.

Ask them to. Tell us a little more about what their thoughts are on the process.

They're not sharing the convention planning team. Okay. Okay, I'll stop there.

I see Patrick's hand and David's hand, so let's say… hear from Patrick first, and then David.

Patrick? Can you unmute?

He's not responding. David?

Betsy, I'm a little more confused than ever, so I want a little clarity before we move on.

Um, my understanding was our nonprofit status would be endangered. If we endorsed candidates, we can endorse issues.

Relate in some, however small way, to… to our mission. Supporting elderly. But, um, but we can never support candidates, so I'm not sure what you were saying with, we didn't endorse.

Carol, but we might have, but we didn't. It's very confusing to me, and I don't know what it means, then, when we sign an oath, since we can't endorse candidates.

To support the slate and not support anyone else. When we can't make endorsements.

Have I… have I misunderstood? I would like to understand that much before we move on.

As an organization, we wouldn't put out public statements endorsing. A particular candidate, but we always… candidate.

We can't. Legally, we can't. Isn't that true?

We can do. I'm sorry, what?

We legally can't endorse candidates without endangering our nonprofit status. Isn't that true?

Um, it's… I think that's the least…

Issue. Not to David. If we were… partisanly for particular candidates.

Yeah, it's true, it's true.

Yes, among the million nonprofits. That are operating in California. It's possible.

That someone might report us, and it's possible there might be.

A question about it, and it's very pos… it's possible. That, uh, there could be repercussions.

It's so unlikely. I think it's more important that we.

We are committed, one way or another, that we don't. You know, we're not actively.

As an organization, we're not stuffing for candy. We can certainly individually, as members, have preferences.

And we can also educate the public on why we. Support certain processes.

But that's different than naming names and giving money to their campaigns.

I… I just think… I just think it's dangerous, from everything I know.

Yes, from a caution…

It's dangerous for us to say specifically. The gray panthers support the Rent Board Slate.

That's what I think.

Yeah. Um, I'm involved in several different 501c3 organizations. And we're… and I do the newsletter for the Berkeley Retired Teachers.

And we… when I'm doing my newsletter, I can't even put in endorsing any candidates. I can put in about issues.

And that's the same with CARA. We can… we can, uh… do issues, but we cannot endorse.

What we did for Proposition 50, we cannot do for the rent board slate.

Specific candidates. It's very clear.

Right, because that's an issue, that is not a candidate.

Can I put up my hand? Again, Carol, when the time comes.

Right.

Okay, Patrick, um… you can't…

You can't, uh… speaks of what…

Patrick, you said you don't have your microphone hooked up, but I see your hand up.

Is he in chat? In chat, he said that he can't… he doesn't have his microphone hooked up.

Oh, okay. No.

My computer is not working properly. I'm not able to raise my hand.

But I just want to say I agree with… with David and Haley said. It's true. Mm-hmm.

Okay. Dirk?

Well, I'm a triple non-profits, and that's the case. For all of, uh… Anthroxy is true, but not the candidate. So, I'm going both work days from Betsy.

Everybody is saying the same thing, and after… unnecessary dick, though.

We're not… Okay, well, I think it's time we move on to something else.

I'm sorry, brain's just walking. Okay, we're gonna leave the rent board to the…

Board meeting on first Wednesday of. October.

Okay, and I'll… I can say more then about why I think it's valuable for us to stay on the planning team.

And be a sponsor. Okay, you can say it then.

We need to let this go for now.

Carol, where is the meeting going to be held on the first Wednesday?

For the executive board.

The board meeting will be held at 1.30 p.m. On the first Wednesday of October.

It's gonna be on Zoom. Yeah.

Aware, the location. Oh, thank you, thank you so much. Okay. The same meeting ID, everything the same. Okay, thank you.

Let's see… Oh, thank you.

First Wednesday of October is the 1st.

This next week.

Okay, then… the next, um…

Recommendations to Board. Betsy, what is that? Well, that was to make sure we leave time to…

Vote if we're gonna vote. Okay, so then the next point is… upcoming topics and speakers.

Um, uh, so… Um.

I feel the communication is so bad, I can't really… page much, but right now, there's…

Carol had, um. You know, we participate.

About 4… It's a great Panther members.

Participate with the homeless, uh. With a group that's doing advocacy in Berkeley.

For, um… people who are… Uh, unhoused.

And, uh, there's a group that's working to create a safe parking program.

For RVs and vehicle dwellers and or tiny house. Village on a public street. We're, we're…

You've been talking to folks, and Maria Soule has been very active, Carol has been very active, I've been out of town.

But otherwise active, and I'm hoping. To get, uh, a couple of reports on where.

Uh, homeless… homelessness policies are going. And Carol Morosevic has.

Like, 3 or 4 points set. She brought up in a conversation with me, and I'm hoping.

She'll go through that. Um, because there's a lot of backlash now.

And, uh… We're, like, one of the few organized.

Group, uh, community groups that is actively supporting. You know… this issue from the point of view of the voices of.

People with lived experience, including our own members. Seniors, as I keep repeating, seniors and disabled adults are the…

Most growing category of people becoming homeless. And, um, the city… Uh, auditor has suggested recommendations, the city.

Homelessness committee, not commission, but the staff. Have made a report.

You know, both those came down last week, and there's a lot of… off of citizen and business opposition to…

Continuing programs that support our unhoused neighbors, so… maybe Kel can say a little more about that issue, the issues, and…

Recommendations coming out of this, uh. Her experiences with this, uh…

Berkeley, safe parking, and Tiny Home Village Working Group.

It looks like Carol's no longer in the meeting. Well, then let's talk… let's…

If you want, Betsy, I'm on the meeting, and I'm also a part of the group, if you want that, but otherwise, you can table it to next meeting.

No, that's right. Helen, Helen is another active… person. I think, uh, do you want to say a little bit about the meeting that was yesterday with, uh, Ben Bartlett?

Sure, if that's what you want help with, I'm very happy to do that.

Yes.

Um, I'll go ahead now, if that's okay. Yeah, yesterday, Tiny Village Spirit Homes had a meeting with Ben Bartlett.

And the meeting actually got some traction. Um, I actually had opportunity to speak with Ben Bartlett after the meeting.

And he kind of spoke further about how he would like to.

Make this something that… he's, uh, kind of leading, so he, in some ways, uh, wanted… is very involved.

Um, I… I am in, uh. District 2 is Tara Taplin's district.

And I do know that Terry Taplin is one that's not 4, but when I posed that to Ben Bartlett.

He said that he would… get involved with helping the group in organizing it to see if he can get buy-in, and he felt.

Good about getting majority of the council members. Involved and wanted to put the time in which.

Uh, was amazing. So, the group must have, um. I wasn't in the meeting, I was there after the meeting.

Um, the group put on a fantastic presentation. And then really was able to grasp the concepts and ideas. So, um…

And all it went well, and I'm just grateful with how much effort the group put into this.

That everybody played a significant role in the parts of the meeting they led.

If there's any questions, happy to answer questions. I'm not sure how many people know what tiny homes.

Village spirit is… Um, I could give you a little bit more information, but Betsy wanted me to just sort of report on the meeting, and I hope that was clear enough.

Thank you, thank you, Helen. I'm not hearing anything from Betsy.

Yes? Oh, I'm… did I… I'm here. I'm here, and I put my hand… please, let me…

I'd like to respond briefly. Please do. So, is that all right, Carol? Go ahead.

Okay, so thank you, Helen. Um, I'm… I'm going to… getting me on to them.

Sure. Okay. So… Oh, okay. Alright.

You hung up there? Yeah.

Quick, quick, click like button. Sounds good.

You're supposed to speak.

Oh, there we go, there we go.

There's range, oops.

So, um, yeah, thank you, Helen.

Um, and I see Patrick has a hand up, so…

This is, um… what I wanted to say, two things, so…

Uh, Terry… so…

What Carol appraised me on was, um…

several things. So, one, city council just

canceled because of all the pushback, two public toilets.

That had been planned

As an amenity to all Berkeleyans, but especially for folks who are living on the streets.

Two public toilets have been canceled because of backlash.

from a neighbor's group called Beautiful San Pablo,

And we had voted to support those toilets. I mean, we…

We weren't making them happen, we just generally have been supportive.

of, uh, you know, making life a little easier.

And, uh, certainly from… so…

That, in addition to this,

Uh, the…

I just am aware there's much more opposition

Especially in Terry Taplin's District 2.

As well as District 3, where Ben Bartlett is,

And in District 1, with Rashi Keshwarwani. So there has been…

On the one hand, we're…

getting reports about

all the good progress to house people who are unhoused,

But, uh…

On the other hand, the city is still having sweeps, or taking action. It's not as bad as it was.

And citizens and businesses are trying to basically eliminate

any kind of public-facing homeless services. I'm exaggerating, but you get the idea.

So, um…

uh… what…

Some of the best practices that I heard from Carol, uh, that… that Ben

recommended. He… is he said, focus. Focus on a particular…

Target group, like seniors.

Right? So…

Seniors are fast-growing in the homeless field, sadly,

And they are underserved by shelters.

And other programs.

Um, uh, we also have a strong, I think, need for more mental health

uh, you know, active mental health outreach. So, gray panthers and standing up for a senior

safe parking programs is actually a natural.

So, I feel like that's something I would… I… I'm hoping we get clarity on, that we could pursue.

You know, in support of what other groups are doing, but to get them on board,

Because the city is in a deficit,

A two-year deficit that was kind of hidden.

from us a little bit, but there is a deficit, there's no new money, there's no new monies.

For homeless services, and um…

So the strategy of asking City Council to somehow bless a project…

That is just very ill-defined.

So far, there's support for this.

safe parking, but I just want to remind that. Also, you know, Helen is in a district, uh, Shoshana, I think her name is the council member.

And that's someone we could talk to, so there is a committee,

Coming up, called Community Life.

And well-being or something like that. There's a committee with Igor…

Shoshana and…

I'm blanking, maybe Cecilia Lunapara.

Um, and that, that, uh, Carol had information about how we could talk to them about support.

And where, um, some additional funds.

could come from in the way of mental health services. But I'm going… I'm kind of broad. I'm sorry, I'm losing focus.

Um, so if anyone would be willing to go to that,

that, uh, council, committee,

and speak up for this, that's great. We… we should…

hopefully talk this further.

Um, we do have a commitment

to speak up and stand up for

you know, not just seniors, but disabled adults, and I feel like we've done a really good track record

But in this case, uh, that message, in the case of our homeless advocacy, sometimes that message gets a little

lost. So…

Um, if we want…

to have further discussion.

and support, um…

I'd love to hear that. But uh… but I know, um…

Carol, I'll just pause, and this is something we may have to pick up again with speakers.

and future topics.

at our next meeting, so…

Yeah, and you know, thanks, Betsy, and I, um, again, just to clarify here, I'm coming from giving an update on the meeting yesterday when I spoke to Ben Bartlett after the meeting.

And asked a few other questions. And so I'm just sharing what… where his interests are, and what he noticed.

Uh, because, you know, he knows I'm on the Commission on Disability, and we had, you know, he was wondering. So, but with that being said.

Um, Ben Bartlett had an interest in a sheltering, you know, women.

Um, that was an interest that he had. And I know that we should be focusing and attending maybe members of this group would like to come to these meetings.

Because I do think it's our unhoused. Community members that are involved with.

Doing this, that we're listening to their lived experiences. I know we have interest here with the Gray Panthers, but I don't think we should be steering.

The work that they are doing, and I think we should be joining the meetings and listening to their.

Interests, um, and I appreciate, you know, uh. All the involvement we've had. I know Betsy's been working hard on this as well as Carol.

And we're making some great progress. And, um, everybody who left the meeting, uh, really felt good.

About, uh, how well they did. They've been meeting with other people.

And so this is a long process that I think they've been doing a really good job on.

But, uh, those meetings maybe would help if. We added that so members might be able to go when the tiny village home meetings are, and maybe, you know, members here can go, because a lot of people have a lot of knowledge in this area.

And that's just my thoughts. Thank you.

So, I think it's just an update, and that, um, about 5 of us are

in… as you hear, it's…

A number of us are at these, uh, sometimes weekly, sometimes

twice a month, um, gatherings, uh, in conversation, and then occasional meetings with council members.

Um, so, obviously, we don't necessarily have one mind here.

Um, can I make one… I'd like to make one other… this is an announcement that Carol…

mentioned to me that is of interest for those who are working on mental health issues.

I don't know who here is interested in that, but you know,

Uh, I will just say that the disability rights

advocates? Is that what they're called? The… the lawyers.

Who sued on behalf of residents of the Alameda County, and including one resident of Berkeley.

Sued the county regarding. Um, bad conditions at… John George.

Is that the name? And Santa Rita Jail. Those are, like, forcible admissions for people with a mental…

Breakdown, or, you know, some kind of endangering people. You know, forcibly sending people there, and it costs a…

Several million… it costs in the million dollars and more range for this city of Berkeley to send people.

To these, uh… somewhat dangerous and badly working facilities.

Um, so, uh, this disability rights advocates, Helen probably knows. Knows them, are in negotiations.

And no one at the City of Berkeley in Carol Morosevic's experience is really… asking for some of the settlement money.

Which would be helpful. In other words, the mental health commission.

Is supposed to be negotiating, but… Uh, uh, uh, no one here is able to tell us that, but Carol Morasovich was saying.

You know, this… this needs to be brought up to city council members.

As well as city staff. Because right now, uh… it's unclear that anyone is asking for some of that settlement money, which could help.

That particular aspect. Of the, um… homeless services, especially.

For people with… with… mental illness. It would help.

It would help anyone who's forcibly hospitalized. So I'll just leave that, uh, leave it at that.

Thank you, and other people may have comments about that, but… I'm good, Carol.

Um, care… Carol?

I hope you'll come back and facilitate, but otherwise, I'm going to step in for a minute.

And say, the agenda. Of other upcoming topics and speakers is that, um.

Um, outgoing board member, Christy Martin. Is stepping down, and she will not be… she's not looking to serve on the board again.

Um, but she has had a long-standing topic of interest that.

Um, is shared by a person… by Dirk Neyhart, who we… who has expressed interest, and the board.

Is likely to put forward his name. So that is in medical-assisted, uh.

Aid in dying. And that's an issue that Christie has… passionately pursued here in Berkeley with the Health Department and.

There's a state commi… a state committee. That's working on this, and uh… She offered an old friend of hers who is an expert in the bioethics of assisted.

Um, um, death… assisted dying. Like in Switzerland. In fact, he lives and works in Switzerland, where.

You can apply for assistance suicide. That's not the right term. Anyway, that's a possible topic coming up.

Maybe this winter, even in November or December. So…

I see… I think we're… we might be ready to… to… to… to close this, but uh… Are there other announcements.

Besides the ones that are listed in the. In the program, in the agenda.

Are there any additional reports to be made here? Hi, Nancy?

Oh, and Carol is back, okay. I'll turn it over to Carol after calling on Nancy. You've got your hand up.

Hi, just… If Carol wants to go first, I can make my rate way back into my room where it's quiet. I do have an issue.

Well, she… she's… she would be taking back. Moderating this meeting.

Ah, gotcha. Okay, so I have, um, an issue that was brought to my attention.

Um, about a transgender woman who's 33 years old. Um, she was in, um, UCI, and over 100, uh, or hundreds, I should say, just over 200.

Um, nursing homes, rehabilitation centers, and licensed and unlicensed small beds.

Um, all refused her, and there's, um, there's loads of evidence. They did some digital forensics.

All over the place, because it was suspicious that no one was going to accept her, even though they had numerous open beds available for her to, uh, recover. She was hit by a car and became a quadriplegic.

Um, she also had stage 4 pressure wounds that went unreported. Um, but the… the notations and documentations in communications.

Um, within the nursing homes, uh, to the hospital, which are deleted, um, and they're not supposed to be, but they were deleted.

Um, they recovered the, um… the communications, and it said, um, there were, like.

Degrading comments about transgender, and they weren't going to accept a transgender person.

Um, things like that. And so, um… One, there's, uh, imminent arrests that are gonna be made here soon.

Um, by the, uh, homicide detectives, they're going into unlicensed. Um, the unlicensed, uh, six-bed homes.

Uh, that refused to take her. But, um, they're also gonna be, um, sending over.

Uh, to other law enforcement at the highest level to do investigations on this.

So I'm asking for a support letter. Um, from all gray panther's organizations across the country, we're also asking for any media connections to be made.

Um, you can do that through me and her representatives. And her lot… law firm's, um… uh, immediate connection.

And I sent that over… you're welcome, I sent that over in an email to you and Carol.

Thank you, Nancy.

Some details.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I'd like to make an announcement also. Carol.

Go ahead, Cecilia.

I just wanted to say that the Healthy Living Festival. That's United Seniors gives it every year.

At the zoo, we have a health and living festival every year at the zoo.

From 9 a.m. To 2 p.m. And if you want to attend that affair, please call the office at 510…

510, um… And that's something.

United Seniors, like, you know… 852.

Okay, I wanna know. 890852.

829? 0852. Now, what… what's the date again?

0852. Hmm…

Oh, I'm sorry, the date is… it's Thursday, this coming Thursday.

From… from 9… from 9 to 2. This coming Thursday at the Oakland Zoo.

Mara.

Okay.

And, uh, it's the kind of thing where there's buses, you can ask for a ride to go there.

To the Oaklands… Yes, ma'am.

Oh, Matt's like, you got to contact the office. Because they have buses that will pick you up at certain senior centers.

A different thing is managed. So you have to contact the office and speak to Mary.

Mary Bread. She's assistant, um…

Since this isn't so…

You got a table. We had a table at the… at that event one year, a while ago.

Thank you.

Oh, you're already taking care of it, that's good.

Oh, no, no, it was the past year. It was some years ago.

Oh, yeah, right, every year that.

Living Festival at the zoo. It was at the, uh… the church on San Pablo.

Where we had the table.

And you're right. And one year, I think, rains just on its own went… it must not have been a gray panther table.

If that was for the convention, for the United States Convention.

Oh, okay. Okay. So, um…

That's what I was, uh-huh.

I went to the Healthy Living Festival, but I never got to the zoo.

I went up and down 3 rows of… of… uh, tables.

And collected things, and I got some interesting things. One was a little… stuffed zebra.

But then I… I got heat exhaustion. And, um, I was having trouble with AFib, but they didn't diagnose it until a month later, and then I got my pacemaker.

Wow. Um.

So, uh… there were some other… Carol, can I…

Yes, please. I wasn't prepared to moderate today.

Just proceed with announcements and go over the ones. Okay, thanks. And then…

You did an incredible job, as far as I'm concerned.

You know, I'm sorry. You know, that telephone number is still an 829-729.

72908. The telephone number is 5…

Say again? Okay, 7…

729-0852. I'm sorry, because I…

And so it's… it's tomorrow, is that right? Ms. Cecilia? Okay.

Yeah, it's tomorrow. Yeah, it's somewhere from 9 to 2.

Uh, there's something… there's something else going on tomorrow. Um.

This healthy li… this, uh, health… and well-being committee of the Berkeley City Council, I think, is also meeting tomorrow, but…

I'll have to get confirmation of that. If anyone wants to go and hear.

Thoughts about some of the issues we've talked about today. Thank you, thank you, Ms. Cunning.

Miss Cecilia. Alright, so, uh, what I've… Uh, in the announcements, in the program.

Um, um… October 18th is another No Kings National Day of Protest.

And I got word. Of, uh, an event at the corner of San Pablo and University Avenue.

Uh, and I'm not sure where the other events will be in Berkeley or Oakland, but, um… I did want to see if there is an interest in having a gray panther presence.

With our banner, uh, I know some of you will be there anyway, you know, you'll be wherever.

But is… is there… are there some people that, uh. Could, uh, you know.

Are interested in… in being, you know, I'd like to go, and I'm more likely to go if I'm.

Part of a message, you know, so it would be quite wonderful if we, since we have three, four weeks.

Three weeks to plan that we could have. Not just our banner, but also signs representing the issues that were.

Concerned most about. Personally, I wanted to advocate for toilet… a public toilet, but that's me.

Um, um, but if there's a couple of people, I see Carol has her hand up.

And, um, if there's others who will be in town in… you know, around to show up in person.

Um, great. Um, and it will be after our board meeting, so we can talk a little more about.

That at the board meeting as well. So, Carol, you have your hand up, and I'll put you down as interested.

Planning. Usually, Robert, who seems to have dropped off, uh. Robert's always, you know.

Has raised his hand. Did you wanna… say something, Robert?

Yeah. Yeah, I'm posting as a banner, so I could bring the banner.

Okay. Okay.

And, uh, Robert and Carol, so… We'll be sharing more info about that, and if you are at another event, let us know. Dirk, I see your hand is up. Did you want to…

Share. Are you interested in being there with us?

Rope things, whereas the venue and time place.

Which, which, uh, which event? Oh, well, there's multiple…

No kings.

Rallies, there's multiple gathering places by different groups. I'm assuming all over the Bay Area.

Uh, that's how it worked last… the last No Kings Day, but there's one event right at University in San Pablo, which is a few blocks from me.

Uh, and there'll be other ones in Berkeley, so I'm looking to see.

We… can we show up somewhere with our Gray Panther banner and some signs that represent.

Our concerns. Yeah, Holly.

Yeah, is there any place to sign up? I know a lot of times, Indivisible puts up.

A sign-up sheet for these things. Is this… a registered event so that people can sign up for it and show that they're coming.

Yes. Yes. Yes.

And no pinks.

Okay.

There's a map of events and a… Okay, Dirk knows that too. There's… there's… I'm… I… a Quaker friend sent me a notice saying there's going to be an event at University in San Pablo, all four corners.

Is planned. I don't… I assume it's indivisible, but we can still show up as Grey Panthers.

Yeah, they've done that before. Right, um, can you send that out to the list?

Yeah. I will… let me make a note, because, um…

It would be good… it would be good to have that out to everybody.

To… but I know there's other events. Yeah, I'll send the link to… the notice about that one.

Right, because I have in the past gone to, uh. To do stuff with acapella at… The, uh, no kings in Oakland, but I'd much rather be staying in Berkeley, and I could bring.

A small sound system and play music.

Ooh, nice.

Sweet. Nice, yeah. Uh, okay, so I'll send it…

Yeah.

Uh, to… uh, uh, to… especially…

The four people, but you'll probably all get it, along with the invitation to the board meeting.

Right, and then I could send it out to other people.

Sure. Yeah. I'm looking forward to it. I'll be back.

Um, okay, thank you all. Um, October… So, October 3rd.

The first Wednesday, I… October 1st, I'm sorry, is our board meeting, first Wednesdays. Usually, we're trying to stick to that.

Uh, the member socials that Carol. Organizes second Wednesdays.

And she may have an announcement about that. Um, and then October 22nd is our next.

Um, what would be a speaker meeting, but it's our annual member meeting and board elections, so… We do tend to focus on local elections.

Um, um, or local… you know, things that are of, of, of, uh, around the election season.

But we also devote time to ourselves, to our history. And, you know, um… members, you know, concerns, so…

Um, we'll be… Carol and I will be planning that, and the board also.

So, um… I will… yeah. Carol, any final words, or…

The social… The social…

Any other announcements that people want to make? And then we'll have…

The socialists coming up on the second Wednesday.

Carol?

The social that's coming up on the second Wednesday of October.

Will not be at the deli, it'll be at, uh…

Oh, I don't remember the name of it. It'll be over on Dowditch.

I think it's called The Hub. It's Boutage, yeah, and…

The hub.

And we can arrange rides, because parking is pretty tight, or you pay for parking, basically.

Yeah, and it'll be potluck. We… if we want anything to eat or drink, we have to bring it.

You know, try to bring something to share.

Sweet. Um, I see that Helen has her hand up, please.

Share.

Yeah, thank you. Um, this I posted, because they do a lot of posts on the Gray Panthers, uh, Berkeley East Bay Grand Panthers site.

And I just wanted to, uh, raise up this. Uh, Disability Rights California.

Is, uh, holding a webinar, and if you're a renter with a disability in California and have questions about evictions.

Learn about your rights in this workshop. Which will cover eviction notices, requirements, what to do if you receive an eviction notice.

And tips for resolving or preventing these issues. Uh, this is a webinar that will be on Tuesday, October 7th.

At 1PM. And the information is on our Facebook site, but if anybody is interested, I am more than happy to forward this to.

Betsy or, uh, Carol, uh, to get out, because I think this might be helpful for folk.

Thank you.

Great. And, um… I did want to… yeah.

Oz has her hand up.

Alice, you're on mute.

Carol?

I… I don't actually see, uh, Alice… Oh, here we go.

She's on mute.

So I'll ask her to unmute. Hopefully she can hear.

Oh, yeah, I… I didn't know how to unmute, so I was writing… I don't know how to unmute.

And Dirk put us… oh, yeah.

Um, I'm sorry, I often don't know that the meetings are going on.

And, um, I'm having a problem with the city of Berkeley.

I… you've dropped off…

Yes?

Yes.

Yeah.

Uh, I've dropped… can you hear… can anybody hear me? Oh, okay. So, um, the City of Berkeley has been harassing me for being autistic and dyslexic for the last 3 years, and they're…

They're saying… they're giving… telling me I have code violations, and I've cleaned up my property considerably, and I don't know what to do, and I just am reaching out.

To ask if anybody can give me any advice or help. I mean, their requests are pretty much unreasonable. I have metal cabinets around the outside of my property, and I'm not talking, like, tons of them. I have a file cabinet where I keep paint inside, because.

Actually, if paint is combustible, it's best if it's in a metal cabinet, not in a wood cabinet where it can catch fire.

And they're saying that I have this small refrigerator where I keep cat food for feral cats.

And I have a toolbox, and they're telling me I have to… I can't have those on my property.

Or on my front porch, and my front porch has plenty of room for fire department to walk up to.

And they're saying that my organizer bin is a place where rodents are going to be having harborage, and I just feel they're really unreasonable, and I don't know if this is not the place to talk about this, but I really need help.

And I just happened to see that you guys started at 1.30.

Does anyone have a resource for Alice? I see Helen's hand… Do you want to respond to Alice, Helen?

Or do you have your… a further… announcement.

Yeah, maybe the information… that I provided about, uh, people's rights with eviction notices and whatnot, which is a webinar coming up, might be helpful for you. It's specific, tailored towards people with disabilities.

Um, I believe that was you, Alice, who was asking, and I was going to send that.

Information to Betsy and Carol, and maybe when they send it out, you can take a look at it. Um, that might be helpful.

Okay, I think Betsy Morris, do you have my email? From the Quaker meeting.

If it's, um… Alice, do you want to give Helen your…

Well, so you'll be direct?

Sure. Sir…

My email is also in the chat. If you cut, copy, and paste it.

I don't know who you… who's talking, it's very hard to tell on my cell phone.

Yeah, this… this is Helen. And I am the cat in the chat.

Yeah.

Um, my email is… Brinach, B-R-A-N-A-C-H.

Okay.

At comcast.net. You can email me and ask me specific for the webinar, and I will get that information to you. It will be coming up in October 7th.

October 7th. Can you tell me your email again? Br… Yep.

Sure, are you ready? Okay, B as in Bumblebee.

Yep. Yep.

R as in radio. A as in Ant.

N as in Nancy. A as in Ant.

C as in cupcake. H as in Helen.

At Comcast. Dot net.

And then at…

And just give me a reminder, because I get a lot of emails, but I really, uh.

Would like to help where I can.

Thank you, I appreciate it. Sorry for joining you so late and missing every, like, tons of meetings.

Um, let's see, how do I go back?

That's okay. Yeah, glad you're here. Um, I put another resource in the chat.

Oh, well, welcome!

Um, it's for the Independent Living Resource Center, but that's for.

San Francisco, you can give them a call, and they'll connect you to resources wherever you are.

It's funny, because I just got off the phone with Justice and Diversity at the San Francisco Bar, and they're like.

Everybody just always says, we don't have any lawyers' experience with that kind of thing.

Do you…

So, they don't really help much. Uh, and I… I don't… I'm not… I'm not very technically savvy, and I don't know how to get around, so I don't know…

How to get to the chat part of this, either.

Um, do you have a pen and paper handy? I'll just… read it off to you.

I do. Okay.

Okay. H like Harry, T like Tom. Like Tom, P like Paul.

S like Sam? Colon, forward slash, forward slash.

Yeah.

Www.ilr.com. C, S like Sam, F like Frank, dot org.

Okay, I… Well, I mean, I feel that there should not be…

Are you looking to become compliant? With their, uh… orders, basically, or…

Them nitpicking on my property. I mean, the last light lady, her name was Prudhomme.

She was like, you know, this is America, you should be able to live like you want to live, you, you, you know, not everybody has to have a green front lawn, and my lawn is an educational… my friend of my house is an educational… garden where I grow all fruit trees.

And I educate the kids on honeybees and where almonds come from, and, you know, kids… Get to learn a block and a half away from Malcolm X.

And, uh, you know, I have so many people who come by and say, I walked 10 blocks out of my way just to come past your house, because I love your garden.

You know, like I said, you know, I've cleaned up my property.

And the communication skills of the people in the blight department, this particular person, I just feel very targeted, and I… Cleaned it up so… it looks so great today, and she's, like, saying, oh, you can't have, uh, milk crates in an organizer. I have one of those.

Quads, that's 6x, uh, 3x… 3x2, and she's like, oh, rodents will go and live inside those milk crates. And it's like, well, you know.

The milk crates are open and airy. I could use the, uh, the cloth ones that come with it, but I would think that you can't see inside there, and that would be worse. They just don't want me to have anything on my property, like, what's wrong with having a tiny fridge on your front porch if you have a front porch that's 6 feet long, and it only takes up 2 feet?

Right.

So…

There's still 4 feet available. So, I just think they're really unreasonable. I mean, for 2 years, they told me the vehicle in my driveway was an abandoned vehicle, and I kept looking up, it's not abandoned, I own the vehicle.

You know, it's registered to me, and she said this for 2 years, and then she finally came down with, oh, well.

It has no license plate, and it has no VIN. I'm like, it has a VIN every vehicle that was manufactured in the factory has a VIN.

So, um…

So… so, Alice, I, you know, come back. Thanks for joining.

Yeah.

I… if you can hear me. I do want to recommend.

That you get in touch with your city council member. You live near… and… and maybe that's not going to be helpful, um.

Oh, he's a backstabber, unfortunately.

But I do know that a lot of systems in Berkeley are complaint-driven, so there's some neighbor.

I think… I think they moved away 3 years ago. You know, I don't… I don't get it.

Potentially who's bugging. Well then, uh…

Okay, so I'm just saying… you know, I don't know the exact pathways, but…

Some combination of complaining to her supervisor. Um, or this person's supervisor, or… and Dave Blake probably could tell you more.

Or you're your city council member, since they are supposed to run some interference with you, if you're not actively doing something illegal.

Um, that's just my… that's just my… and the second thing is.

It sounds like you're doing great stuff, and maybe the, um… the community garden network, uh, BMUG, or the.

Berkeley Resiliency Network, you know, that promotes. Things like bee gardens… I'm just saying maybe some allies.

You… are you Betsy?

Are good, but honestly, if you're not actively doing something illegal, I don't… I don't understand. I'm sorry you're getting harassed.

I know. I don't either. Are you Betsy Morris? I see your face talking, and it's James or Betsy, okay.

I am. Yeah.

Okay. Alright, I think I have your phone.

Yeah, sorry, I didn't rename myself. Um, I know we, uh…

Yeah, Dave's gonna…

Alice, if I may? The other person I know who went through a similar difficult period and.

Is that David?

It didn't end up well for him, but may have some experience to share with you, is Asa Dodsworth.

Oh, wow. He's my neighbor.

Oh, yeah, I know Asa well. Yeah, no, I was one of the supporters, I went… I went to, uh, court with him when they were giving him a hard time about his roosters.

Um, but he's kind of, you know, I don't know, he's, you know, very domesticated now, and just taking care of kids.

But he could… he could at least commiserate and might… you know, talk about what…

Beautiful.

Yeah, I didn't think about him. I have… I have… there's a woman named, um… Uh, Ilana, Auerbach ran for council up in the northern part of Berkeley.

And, um, you know, she's on the chat, because I'm on a text chat with other people, and you know.

Like, they said that, um… You know, I pointed out, you know, the city sponsored compost bins, and I have my compost bin in my front yard. You know, the city…

Sponsored the compost bins. They want us to compost, and then they complain that we have rodents. I don't have any rodents, I have cats, and I have zero rodents, but they're telling me I have rodent harborage.

Anything could be Rodent Harborage, you know? I mean, the way they're saying it's like… I don't understand what the issue is with the metal boxes.

You know, they're not… it's not Harbridge, and the metal fridge for keeping food in is not Harborage, and.

Boxes that are empty are not harboraged. And they're right at the front door, so there's too much traffic for rats to be living in there, not to mention it's right next to where the cats are fed.

Part of the problem is that they can no longer do what they used to do, which was declare property to be a blight.

Well, that's what they're doing. They told me that I… White nose, yeah.

They… they found that in court. They found out, hold on. They found out it… they found out through the court process.

That just being a visual blight is not enough to enforce actions against a homeowner.

So, they are… but what they're doing is they're responding, as Betsy said, to a complaint.

But someone who thinks your place looks like it has unusual stuff in front of it, which doesn't look good.

And they're trying to find some way to compel you. To clean it up. And unfortunately, like Trump.

They have their hands on the wheels of government, and there's lots of painful things they can do to you. So, um, the… Whatever you do, you need to develop a Plan B.

Yeah.

Where you actually don't have those things in your front yard, just to know that you can get out of this quickly if you need to.

Because they do have the power of the… of government behind them, and, you know, ASA was fined $100 a day.

Um, until he was forced to comply.

I mean, I have complied, and that's the hard thing. I keep complying, and they have… keep, you know, they slowly take things off the complaint.

They keep coming up with new things. Because you don't look normal, but they know they can't…

Right, exactly, and they keep changing the reason.

They can't pull blight anymore. They lost on that issue.

Blight is not… Right.

So.

So, so what they call it, they call it code enforcement, and they, they still haven't… you know, but again, okay, if they say that the code is…

I'm just saying they have lots of ways to harass you, and they're bureaucrats, so they just keep going, no matter what you do.

Well, can she not, uh, appeal to the supervisor, or… of this person.

Or, you know, is there no way to… Get your yard declared a model…

I don't know. Um, not gonna happen.

Habitat Garden. Okay, I don't think then…

No, I don't think… I don't think it will work, because this is my front steps, and I understand…

What I'm gonna suggest is that, uh, you contact. Asa Dodsworth, maybe Dave could be consultative, or someone else who can.

I will.

It's not… this is really not my area of any expertise. It is ACES.

Consult with you, but we actually need to wrap up. Our meeting.

Dave, do you have a phone number? Okay.

You have his number? Asa Dodsworth?

I have ACE number, yes, yes.

And Fred… Fred, Ace's father. Or his… or his mom.

Okay, and…

Linda might be useful, too.

Uh, yeah, you think, uh, I don't know his mom, but I know, uh, Fred.

I'm calling.

And, um… There… there are, you know, these, uh, people who are…

Right, they've wanted… they've wanted to come to my garden on a lot of occasions.

They showcased permaculture gardens, you know, diverse habitat.

You know? But…

Beautiful! Cfl… I mean, they are much more better, maybe, at writing a letter to support your specific.

Strong suit, you know? That's all. Um, keep in… keep in touch.

Yeah, okay.

I doubt that will work. I really, I really think you need to address them issue by issue.

And because in the end, what you're claiming is that you're being harassed.

Wow.

Well, again, again, you know what? Right.

And then you have to fight them in court, and that's not something you don't… you want to get into, I don't think.

Actually wanted to hire a lawyer, but I can't even find a lawyer that will do this.

You know, do we know of any lawyers who would take on.

You know, the issue, because, I mean, I don't exactly know how to go up against the city in… in… in the court.

I mean, I would like to retal… you know, they're retaliating against me for God knows what, you know?

Um. You can…

You know, Ben Bartley used to walk past my house and be very cordial to me for years, and then… He got involved in this, and I was talking to his assistant, whose name I just forgot.

James Chang.

Who's also on the thread. James, who's also on the thread, and they were all very nice until the day they showed up when we were all meeting in front of my house with.

Uh, disability rights, because I'm disabled, and the vector control, and I've put in.

4 calls to vector controls, and they never return my calls, because.

They were the ones that said, the bins that I had had gnaw marks in them, but I got them with the gnaw marks, so I switched them out, and it's over a year, and there's no gnaw marks. I have no rodents at all. I have rodent traps, and I have cats.

Yeah, I'm busy. Yeah, come back later, thank you. If all right.

So, I mean, and like I said, with the vehicle.

I'm surprised that they're punishing you for… I'm surprised they're punishing you for the compost bins. That is surprising.

Well, they're actually not complaining, but they're saying that. That a ref… that a toolbox on the ground that is metal, where no.

Rodents can get underneath is creating rodent harborage. See, the thing is, it's not logical.

After some… yeah, I'll be gone at 7.

And that's why the whole thing with the truck being an abandoned truck on my property, it's not logical, because it's not a truck.

I mean, it's not abandoned, it's mine! You know, and I… yes, I know…

Um, Alice… Alice, I… I have to, uh, ask you to, uh.

Yeah. Yes.

Slow down, and hopefully you'll… you've gotten something from this. I realize it's complex and ugly.

Yes. Right.

And it goes on and on, but… here today, right now, after 2 hours on the Zoom call, we're gonna…

Yes. Yeah. It looks like Nancy had something to say.

We're gonna… we have to close out this meeting. If you're on our database, thank you for coming.

Right. Yes.

And, uh, I… I'm gonna give the floor to Nancy, and then we're gonna have a.

Okay, thank you.

Poem, and we will be back. Next month, with this kind of public…

Okay.

Speaker meeting format. Yeah, Nancy, did you… have something to… wrap up with, or…

You need to unmute, yeah.

Um, I just wanted to give you guys a quick share. Um, one, it was really nice to see everybody keep up the good work, and.

Thank you, V. Um, we've got a… an open, uh, investigation here.

Um, that's gone right to the top at my nursing home, um, but it's gone right to the top.

Um, with investigators. Um, because of… there's been a, uh, 10-plus year.

Um, sexual molestation, resident to resident. Sexual molestation cover-up.

Um, and he's incentivized because he's… he tells investigators. So, the facility tells them.

To the investigators, whether it be ombudsmen or California Department of.

Aging, or whoever it is, is that's investigating. Go talk to Martin. He sees everything, he's all over the place, so he always says.

Or usually says, I was there, that never happened, that person… lied, uh, something like that. So he gives witness testimony, and they incentivized him with.

Food, clothing, cash, all this other stuff, and he's been here for nearly 20 years.

Um, and he gets carte blanche. People just look away. They've reported, reported, reported to their supervisors and to director of nursing here, um.

But it's all covered up. They're told not to put anything in writing or in communications, and this is a widespread problem.

Um, uh, PBS did an article about. How, uh, sexual assaults.

Um, and sexual abuse. Um, information doesn't get disclosed to the public in, um.

Interviews and records and things like that. So, um… Now the ombudsman is not even… recording witness testimonies that they've taken.

Um, and we've gone to the brand new state ombudsman.

Excuse me, Nancy, I'm totally lost at what you were going to… could you start out by telling us what you expect from us?

Um, yes, I do want to ask if anybody is willing.

Um, to make either anonymous, or you can give your name, just calls that I've reported to you.

That there, um, is sexual molestation covering… cover-up. Happening here, um… At the nursing home, because it's been going on for over a decade, I hear. I've only witnessed it since I've been here, 2019, on a near-nightly basis.

Um… Yeah.

Well, nightly. Um.

Nancy, I'll… the best I can do right now is to take this to the board. I'm… pretty… we're pretty pressed.

To… to… but… I would like to encourage you to go talk to Carrie.

Yeah.

At the na… you know, on behalf of the national. Or, you know, because she has so much…

Okay. Right.

Experience with… with the, you know, how do you intervene with a nursing home that's gone rogue like that?

Right.

Um, that is pretty awful. The other suggestion I… this is a long shot, but, um…

The, uh, this… there's a new San Diego chapter, they're… they're, like, graduate students in public health, and I think they want to be… advocates in at least San Diego is closer to you. Like, if a letter from East Bay Gray Panthers were like.

Right. Yeah.

Right. Thank you.

700 miles away, but um… you know, it's huge. It's a huge issue. I, I, I…

Horrifying to hear about. Are youth safe?

Thank you.

Well, what about… what about putting one of those Ring cameras where the sexual abuse is happening? They can't catch them on camera?

I'm actually in training to get arrested, because it is, um, it's very illegal.

You know.

Um, to, uh, record anyone who lives in a nursing home, even if it's sexual abuse happening.

Um, and so I'm… I'm training, um, this week, throughout the end of the week.

Um, to get arrested, I've got $20,000 in bail. Set and two pro bono attorneys.

Um, but yeah, it's…

Wow. A bliss… oh, wow.

Hi, Beryl.

So, if the person who's…

Nancy, if you could tap me or catch my email and shoot me an email.

Uh, there's an ADAPT member that I know that's helped out the Great Panthers, who is an ombudsman.

Um, they might be able to give you some direction here. Their name is Lydia. They have a disability themselves. I would be more than happy to see if I can make that connection, but she's one of the top people that does this work.

And she's, uh, has done some work with the Great Panthers, um, when I brought her in with, with, uh, these areas. So, uh, Branaka.

Fantastic, yeah.

Net, just shoot me an email, and I will do my best to see if I can get, uh.

More advocates who specialize in this area to help you out. Sorry to hear that's happening, that's horrible.

Yeah, that's pretty widespread, um, but thank you very much, I will do that, Helen. I appreciate you all.

Uh, do you have Helen's, um, email? Or contact? Okay.

I do, yeah.

Wonderful, wow, wow. Um, inspiring.

I'm… I'm… I… I'm gonna have to get off.

Not that you couldn't continue, but we will be picking up some of these discussions.

On the board level, and then meeting again. Um… Wow. Um, thank you. I want to put a shout out to Helen.

She, uh, educated the National Grey Panther Council when it was doing its research on nursing home.

Reform and brought Lydia into that. Who was an incredible resource, so Helen is really, um…

You know, it's not all on her, but she manages, uh… A lot of the Facebook postings we do, and it's mostly about disability rights, and we…

Um, I just appreciate all of that. And she's always asking, what are we doing? And I'm always… I have to say, what are we doing not enough of?

So, I'm really happy we have those resources. Um, thank you, and uh, one last, uh, Dave, do you have a worthy poem?

Oddly enough, I think I do.

That can capture… Yeah, okay. Hopefully it captures whatever the spirit of our meeting was today, and…

No, I went so… I went a different direction entirely. But maybe, I don't know, maybe.

Okay. Well, whoa.

This is… this is a poem by Richard Wilbur, who some of you may have heard of, have heard of.

He was, uh, not as famous as Carl Sandberg. He was the Poet Laureate before Carl Sandberg.

Uh, in the… in the Eisenhower. Carol. And this poem is called Beasts.

Beasts in their major freedom. Slumber in peace tonight.

The gull on his ledge. Dreams in the guts of himself, the moon-plucked waves below.

And the sunfish leans on a stone. Slept by the Lyric water.

In which the spotless feet of deer make dulcet splashes. And to which the ripped mouse.

Safe in the owl's talon cries. Concordance. Here there is no such harm.

And no such darkness. As the selfsame moon observes where.

Worked in window glass. Its sponsors now. The Werewolf's Painful Change.

Turning his head away on the sweaty bolster. He tries to remember the mood of manhood.

But lies at last, as always, letting it happen. The fierce fur, soft to his face.

Hearing with sharper ears. The wind's exciting miners.

The leaves panic. And the degradation of the heavy streams.

Meantime, at high windows. Far from thicket and padfall.

Suitors of excellence sigh. And turn from their work.

To construe again the painful beauty of heaven. The Lucid Moon, and the Risen Hunter.

Making such dreams for men. As told, will break their hearts, as always.

Bringing monsters into the city. Crows on the public statues.

Navies fed to the fish. In the dark, unbridled waters.

And while you're continuing that, I also ran across recently a quote by W.E.B. Dubois.

Who was asked how it felt to be the first man, the first black person.

So you had a graduate degree from Harvard. A PhD from Harvard, and he said.

The honor was all theirs.

The honor was all theirs. Du Bois.

The pronounce it divorce. Du Bois.

Boys? Yeah, I never know.

Boys. All right, with that, um…

Boys, just…

Stay true to yourselves. Let's reach out and be helpful where we can, and um…

Maggie Kuhn would be 120 this year. Our founder, so… Yeah, keep roaring.

All right? Hannah, it's great to see your face, and uh… Dirk will look forward to having you on the nomination slate, um…

I'm sorry, I'll say once more, because that was a tough poem.

And, uh, more power to all of us. Okay. Last words, unmute, shout out.

Uh, hi.

I just wanted to remind people who are interested in that poem that it's called Beasts.

And it's by Richard Wilbur. Who is a great poet.

I think.

Thank… thank you.

Thanks, Betsy! Thanks, Carol! Good to see you all!

And to be seen. Take care.

I can hear you fine now.

I think next time we'll have someone else host this. Uh, our Zoom room is available for other people to actually host on, so…

It may just have been my connection that was so bad, but anyway, good to see you all.

Take care, uh, good luck, and keep in touch.

Ready? Aim…

I will say one apropos of… Alice, uh, Alice, my husband just read me a little joke yesterday that, uh.

Temple Grandin wrote, she said. If, uh, we didn't have… people with autism in the world.

Uh, the human race would still be sitting around in caves talking with each other.

So… Uh, I thought that was pretty funny. So, take care.

Yeah. Maybe. See, so, uh, there's very few of us here. Are you going to the, uh, Strawberry Creek meeting these days, or are you going to Berkeley meeting?

Okaywho sued

 

Keeping Seniors Healthy and Well in the East Bay:July Speaker Meeting

With Sheryl Morasco, 

Director of Outreach and Enrollment

Program of All-Inclusive Care for the Elderly, PACE and CEI 

Center for Elders' Independence, Oakland.

• No Kings rallies
• Berkeleyans for Accessible Right-of-Ways
• National Council of Gray Panther Networks
• Medicaid/Medi-Cal actions LTSS4All and CARA
• Berkeley Commissioners Needed  - Status of Women and Aging and HAC
• State affordable housing and tenant justice bills
• Ashby BART development. 

Housing For All / Housing As A Human Right

Ending Mass Incarceration and Creating Re-Entry Options

Our featured speaker this month was Xavier Johnson, Director of Policy Justice for the Just Cities Institute, along with a speaker from All of Us or None, a project founded and led by formerly incarcerated advocates.

Johnson (left) is a former tenants attorney with Centro Legal in Oakland, Chair of the Berkeley Housing Advisory Commission, and elected Commissioner on the Berkeley Rent Board.

This meeting was entirely virtual, on Zoom, a recording is below.

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Also on this meeting's agenda:

• • Planning our booth at the annual Solano Stroll street fair in North Berkeley on Sunday, September 8
    
    Robert and Raines are coordinating, and we've got a great location at the Top of Solano! We're planning lots of fun activities with partners. Learn more and sign up to be a part of our presence there.
    
    
  • Our September social: new host? Or cancel for this month?
    
    Neither Betsy or Carol or Raines can make the usual second-Wednesdays date, but we may have someone else to lead it.
    
    
  • The California Alliance for Retired Americans (CARA) Candidate Forum Tuesday, September 10 (virtual and in-person). Learn more and RSVP here.
    
    
• A just-scheduled in-person talk Wednesday morning, September 11, by Alameda County D.A. Pamela Price, on Fraud and Elder Abuse. Location TBD.
  
  
• Nominations for the Gray Panthers of Berkeley and the East Bay Board of Directors are now open!
  
  The Board will present a slate at our September meeting, but nominations remain open for all voting members until the elections in October.
  
  If interested or curious, please contact Co-convenors Carol Crooks or Betsy Morris to learn more or join us for a Board Meeting (we are seeking a Board Secretary).
  
  Board members serve for two-year terms.
  
  
• There will be time also for action updates and announcements.

The June East Bay Gray Panthers Speaker Meeting!

Purely virtual - from your home via Zoom. We don't have a recording but here are links to what we discussed.

THE LONG-TERM HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IS ON LIFE SUPPORT.  MORE THAN TWO MILLION CASES OF ELDER ABUSE AND NEGLECT ARE REPORTED EVERY YEAR.   I am just one of the millions who had absolutely no  idea how broken and corrupt the nursing home system truly is until I attempted to navigate it.  
                                        -- Susie Singer Carter, filmmaker

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Speaker Meetings are regular gatherings on the Fourth Wednesday of most months. We focus on special topics with guest speakers as well as highlighting Gray Panther and partner activities

For many Berkeley events of interest, see Kelly Hammargren's Activist Diary in the Berkeley Daily Planet, at https://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/ - click Current Issue for the latest updates. 

Currently the Monthly Meeting and Board Meetings are by zoom or phone-in but we are scheduling occasional outdoor and safe in-person gatherings in 2024! 

Get in touch with any questions: 510-842-6224 voice or text

The May East Bay Gray Panthers Speaker Meeting!

Purely virtual - from your home via Zoom. Recording is here. Transcript and Chat log are below.

Housing as a Human Right

Lessons for the Bay Area from the 4^th International Social Housing Festival

 

1:30 Welcome:

Convener: Betsy Morris, PhD

... and more action updates from members and the community.

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Speaker Meetings are regular gatherings on the Fourth Wednesday of most months. We focus on special topics with guest speakers as well as highlighting Gray Panther and partner activities

For many Berkeley events of interest, see Kelly Hammargren's Activist Diary in the Berkeley Daily Planet, at https://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/ - click Current Issue for the latest updates. 

Currently the Monthly Meeting and Board Meetings are by zoom or phone-in but we are scheduling occasional outdoor and safe in-person gatherings in 2024! 

Get in touch with any questions: 510-842-6224 voice or text

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We're going to start off and I just like to welcome everybody and I like to thank you for the introductions.

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I like to thank you for the introduction because it kind of gives me a handle. And we are here in the month of May for a affordable housing month.

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Yay, this is also election year people spread the word. Wow for barons, we need that to pass through.

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So with that being said I like to welcome everybody individual organizations that you're representing to this meeting because this is really an important meeting.

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We really need to begin to better because we need to make some traction on things happening. We all know that there is a crisis.

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We, point in time countess occurred. January, I think it was the 25.th

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And it went down, but not. It went out, but not substantially. And we also have to be mindful of the fact of the weather.

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When the count happened. And so with that being said, we want to keep making inroads in organizing, organizing people.

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Or housing, having housing as a human right. We want to take away. The monetization of housing here in North America.

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And so I'm gonna pass the mic on. To then.

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Okay, thank you, Arlene.

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Sure thing.

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Appreciate that. Thanks for moderating this. This is like a lovely intro. I just want to offer everybody a big warm Ep Ho, East Bay Housing Organizations, welcome.

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And a huge thanks to you guys, the East Bay Gray Panthers and the other Panthers that are here today for pulling this together and for what you're about to present.

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We're really excited that this is part of affordable housing month this year. We at, have been for 40 years working with our members to produce and preserve and protect affordable housing throughout the East Bay.

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And you know all of us in the East Bay have certainly been touched by this crisis. We're really familiar with the problem, but we're not always sure what the solutions might be.

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And this is really solvable, but the only way we can do that is with people power. So.

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1st off, we'd like to start by celebrating our wins. There's been millions of dollars raised for affordable housing.

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This year, new affordable homes built and passage of tenant protections. So those are huge winds that we're thrilled about.

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And that's part of our celebration this, this month. And if the other part of our celebration this month are all the other events happening.

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I'll put in the chat a link to the other events that are free, the part of the celebration this month.

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So you guys can, oh, thanks Kiki. Kiki already put it in the in the chat so you can see what other events are happening and hopefully you can enjoy some of those but also the other things we want to share with you something that we could all sort of engage in right now in our lean you were starting to talk about this was 2 of our major ballot measure campaigns were gearing up for the 2020

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4 ballot. 1st off is the 9 county Bay Area regional bond project. It's gonna raise 10 to 20 billion for new affordable homes across the region.

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I see some nodding head so I think you guys know what I'm talking about. The second ballot measure would be to reduce the voter approval threshold for affordable housing.

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Bonds to a simple majority down from the 2 thirds required right now. So it also looks like you guys are familiar with this, but, we'll also put a link in the chat for, the Bay Area.

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Housing for all so you can get engaged as well and help push these measures through and get them approved in 2020 this year.

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That is that ACA one. Is that the measure?

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I think that's the name of it. Kiki, do you know if that's the name of it or Jeff?

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ECA one is the name of the bill that would put it on the ballot. It hasn't been on place so it doesn't have a proposition number yet.

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Okay, thank you.

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Thanks, Joe.

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So we'll put the Bay Area housing for all.org. Link in the chat for you so you can follow that as it develops.

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We also want to highlight for you the, study room. You can go to a steady room.

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Will also put this link in the chat. You can go there to learn more about the history of our housing crisis.

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Also about the work that's being done to address it. And lastly, I just want to invite everybody who's not already a member of EPO to join us as a member.

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It's a wonderful organization and we would just love for you to become active. Incredibly active group. And you're probably already members, but if there any of you that are not, we'd love for you to become a member and get active with our committees and the link is just Kiki just put that in the chat.

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And thank you, Kiki. And if you guys haven't met Kiki yet, she's our chief operating officer at Evo, our fabulous Kiki and she's here today.

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She's also a wealth of information as is Jeff. Who oh yeah, Kiki saying reach out to her if, you need anything and, Jeff is or chief legislative strategist.

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So he, is another great resource. So anyway, hope you enjoyed the event. And thanks again, Arlene, for, moderating this.

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Thank you so much, Ben. I really appreciate that information. And really kind of bringing this up to speed on what's going to be happening this year because we have some really important things that are going to be happening this year.

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And we want to, we really want people power. As you said, we want people power to back these things because we need movement.

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And the only way we have more open is with people power. We have to participate. So with that being said, my, My next introduction is going to be.

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Art from the San Francisco Bay. San Francisco Great Panthers and art oh boy I went to San Francisco I'm just gonna say this quickly I went to the meeting and I was just so So.

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Impressed with the education I got just by attending meetings. Sometimes just by attending meetings, you get educated on so many things.

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And so I'd like to bring art on and so that he could share some information with us. Alright.

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Thank you, Arlene. Yeah, I was brought on to. Provide an introduction to one of our major presenters today and that is Betsy Morris.

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She's the co convener of the Berkeley East Bay Grey Panthers as many of you know She and I are also members of the National Council, Great Panther Networks, Issues Committee.

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As well as the National Council of Great Panther Network Senior Housing Subittees. Both of which meet monthly with great panther members from all over the country.

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Betsy as you will if you don't already know that you will find out is a very well-informed advocate for an activist on housing.

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Issues and with her extensive background activism and expertise has provided valuable input. To a National Council of Great Panther networks, gray paper.

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On the US nursing home crisis, which we put out. Previously and is now involved in the effort to create another gray paper this time on our national affordable housing crisis.

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She's traveled far and wide, especially in Europe with her partner and coconvenor Raines Cohen.

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To gather information and study examples of how people and organizations in other countries innovate to create affordable housing where they live.

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And if Betsy is ready, I am honored to present to you now Betsy Morris.

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Drumroll, please.

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Okay.

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Okay. Benson, do you hear the drum roll? Okay.

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We might be, I know she said she had some internet, issues going on, which is that.

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I could.

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Is, available.

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You have to mute me.

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Might be 2 different. Vocal voice.

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Sources right now so shut they should shut down one

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Yeah.

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So Rains has 2 on, he needs once so he doesn't get the echo. Yeah.

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Well, we're waiting, there's a few other members of the National Council, Great Panther networks here.

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I want to recognize Carol Crookes of Berkeley, Grey Panthers. Richard Solomon of Santa Barbara Grey Panthers and Michael David Bendor.

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Of is it the Ann Arbor, Great Panthers? Please correct me if I'm wrong about that, Michael.

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We're technically the. Public citizens of Washington. Having changed your name to try to get more diverse population.

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Did you hear me, Art?

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Yes, thank you, Michael. Yeah, these bodies, the, the national council, great power networks have been meeting for several years.

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Okay.

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The issues committee. 1st and then the senior housing subcommittee group out of the the emerging COVID pandemic when it was noticed that people in nursing homes were dying in great numbers.

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You're gonna show this. Show me first, st okay. All right. I think we're ready.

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We can hear you, Betsy.

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Yeah. The technical details of multi devices. I should say, and 1st off, I want to thank.

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With this way? Okay, I wanna thank. Arlene who is been a gray panther member for I don't know a few years.

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And has become a partner in crime. She refuses to serve on the board, but is instead active with poor people's campaign and and and advisory boards all over the country i mean i'm always in awe of the connection she has made and I'm also just incredibly grateful to have found a kind of sister from another mother, soul mate, intellectual, just, just, fabulous.

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And she knows how to run a meeting, especially a large public event. So, I just wanna say.

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Carol Crookes is my co-convener and I'm incredibly grateful for her because as verbose as I am, she is cuts to the quick.

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She cuts. She's good. And I also just need to say that my partner, my husband Rains Cohen is my tech support.

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And I guess sometimes my punching bag for frustrations, but I want to thank him enormously for getting this complex setup.

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And we'll just say that. It's it's a privilege to have so many. Members of the affordable housing.

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Month that should say affordable housing month and I'm grateful that EPO is here that said this is purely the work of myself, not, to blow myself up, but just to say none of the other organizations except for my Grey Panthers chapter and the National Council.

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Has endorsed has has they are the folks who've given me this platform to share this information with all of you and I'm very, very grateful for that.

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So, but we're not affiliated directly with EBHO. This is not an EBHO presentation.

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And the only people I'm speaking for is myself in my chapter. But I'm hoping very soon we'll have other, other allies as a result of this.

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So I'm going, rains is going to be changing to our next slide. This is the The title of this talk is Housing as a Human Right.

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Lessons from Europe and the International Social Housing Festival. 1st I'm just gonna.

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So next, I should say, what are we at, Rreens? Okay. The, I'm sorry, go back.

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I've got 2 devices here. I am so high tech. So, There.

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No. Okay, so. All of this, this is a work in progress very much, but what do we mean by housing as a human right?

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Well, when the United Nations was founded, established in San Francisco. The, a statement of housing as a human right is part of the universal declaration of human rights of the UN.

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And signed by many signatories and that's important because this is something many countries including our own signed on to this declaration.

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But, and under international law. Treaties that the US has signed. Everyone has the right to adequate housing.

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Adequate housing is more than just a roof over one's head. It includes security of tenure.

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Written, which means that you know how long you have it for, protection against forced depictions and availability of service.

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These languages are actually from UN documents. And just to say that, it's, it's an aspirational document and who's going to make it happen?

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We are, not governments, even though they signed in our name. So a few years back, 2017, 2,018, our Greg Panthers chapter convened a public meeting about the human rights civil rights of the unhoused.

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And it was attended by some of the incredible visionary leaders. Around the Bay Area but one several in particular who had started the here their camp here in Berkeley.

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They had started in San Francisco and been pushed out and pushed out and moved multiple times. And they were the founders of 1st they came for the homeless.

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And 1st they came for the homeless came to our meeting with. With Michael John Civil Liberties Institute, Nicole John.

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Of an established. Advocacy organization that was behind that supported the UN and this this human right. Housing is a human right.

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And Fagan Ginger came and spoke to 90 people. And as a result of that, we.

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Great Panthers and met. In the vault cafe with 14 other people, most of whom were from different homeless housing, advocacy, leadership, or developers of homeless housing.

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And it was an incredible privilege to be there because what I heard from, that was what was essentially an 8 part charter.

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Of what we eventually created. Jointly. Called the Bay Area Landless Peoples Alliance.

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Which survived. Very minimally under COVID, 5 of the leaders of.

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1st they came for the homeless died. In the early part of 2020. Not from COVID, but.

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From living on the streets. But, still exists as a Facebook page. And.

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And is closely tied with our work with. Hog or the homeless action working group in Oakland, also known as Shelter Oak.

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And I say this because it was really the work with the unhoused. The right the concept of the right to land the right to have a self-governing to be neighbors and create a real mutual care housing with each other, whether it's intense or vehicles.

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Or sitting on a sidewalk that these are parts of our human rights. And voices that we don't hear in most of the debates about funding or even tenant protections.

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So it's important to me and I, and our great panther chapter that the voices of, every every group that's holding up for the right to live the right to be housed.

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In in a in a community for example it's very important that this be part of the conversation coming up.

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Today we don't have representatives from the wood street commons or here there which failed but Wood Street Commons is part of 3 or 4 self-help.

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Encampments that are working on their own. Concept of housing and will be part of the public debate.

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So next. Thanks. I know that was long when did. So this next slide, which I can't.

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There it is. I don't, this is, this is part of the concept of housing as a human, right?

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That I am encountering. There's lots of, but that come from the official organization behind.

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The social housing festival. So affordability, habitability, cultural adequacy, sustainability, location.

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Within reach of vital amenities, accessibility, security of tenure, and availability of services.

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So I encourage any of you to do the command shift. For or command shift 3 and capture these images so you might be able to.

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We'll be posting it in the video afterwards. Okay, thanks. So no need. Don't feel like people have to write everything down.

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It's huge. So what do we have here in the US? Well, this is my professional opinion.

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I do have a degree. And spent many years working more formally in in the professional capacity and in trying to understand our housing policy and and how housing powers and policies about the poor.

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In particular we have 75 years 1934, I think. Various acts were passed in the depression under FDR and in 1,937 we had a housing policy that was actually pretty good, but we have what we have now today.

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75 years of proposals for stable housing and the rights of tenants corrupted, co-opted.

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By conservative segregationist real estate associations and their lobbyists. And Let me just pause. A number of people joining us.

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Our realtors or real estate agents and I'm incredibly grateful that you want to be part of this conversation.

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But the people who represent you, the National Association of Realtors, and the California Association of Realtors have publicly admitted to their practices.

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Racist and sometimes illegal practices to undermine fair housing law in California. And nationally. They have apologize.

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You can go to their websites and see those apologies. I, this is not the best representation, but if you, there is a new entity modeled after the National Realtors Party, the California Realtors Party.

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Which despite their apologies. Exists and to. As a group to put forward laws. That protect the rights of homeowners.

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And protect the rights of the property, what is it, the to increase their the value of their homes.

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So if you know how the rhetoric goes. For opponents of affordable housing. Or any kind of you know, rights for the homeless.

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Preserving property values is used by the realtors to justify any number of pieces of propaganda that that I 1st became aware of them.

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Because they are funders. To destroy Topa tended opportunity purchase act. They are continually spending millions of dollars.

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Hundreds of millions to lobby. Against rank control expansion. Of, you know, it's very clear they have been bought they already designed the realtors associations designed the redlining maps.

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They used them informally. And then the federal government and banks asked for copies of them and so this is a lineage That is, I just, I'm gonna say it.

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We say we have opponents, but These are hundreds of millions of dollars here in California. To prevent the kinds of housing justice.

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Or just how write to housing that. Certainly many of us would like to see. It's.

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So, 45 50. What is this number? We are in a time of great opportunity, although it is in time of crisis.

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45% of Californians are now renters. 55% are homeowners. This is the highest number of renters and the lowest number of homeowners.

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That that California has ever seen and it's it's it's we that's part of Oh, I'm looking in the wrong place.

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I like to look at you all, not my own presentation. I've been looking at this for a long time.

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Yeah, 45 to 50. So this is an opportunity. And. You know, there've been, I know there are flyers all over California calling for tenants rights.

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Especially after COVID when new rights were established, but now they're gone. And the evictions are already starting up again.

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This is one petition, this is one ballot proposition in Berkeley. Berkeley has tended to operate as a freewheeling of independent agent.

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And I'm saying here now as someone who supports this petition. And we have to stop doing it one city at a time.

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This is a movement. We need to create. I'm getting my rant on.

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This talk is about saying why we need to talk to each other, collaborate. Build up structures that are Continually working.

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To create a new paradigm. And a new vision. And this is what I learned in. Europe.

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This just happens to be one of the recent rallies, Grey Panthers. Myself and and this is with one of the groups we're a member of the Poor People's Campaign Nell and is one of the leadership.

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And this is our own wonderful Arlene. I don't know their pictures.

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We were at the Wood Street Cup. Yeah, I need to interject. We were at the Wood Street Commons one year anniversary.

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And that's what that's what we were attending.

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Thank you. Of their eviction. Yeah. And it was a great and lively event.

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And they're having another event. We can talk about it later, but June. 14, th I think.

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All right, so I while I'm while I'm learning and catching up with various California coalitions, particularly the Social Housing Coalition out of Southern California.

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This popped up i don't know i don't know who sent it to me or why it showed up but you know the ways of the internet knows So the International Social Housing Festival was held last June.

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In Barcelona, Spain. And thanks to a great. Set of wonderful circumstances. And my husband knowing how to work plain credits.

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This was a free event. Just had to get there and I was able to get there. And in the process, I, Got the in.

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Thank you, Great Panthers for letting me represent the National Council at this event. It just gave me a kick to have that title.

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2,000 participants, people from 87 countries. And it was hosted by the city. Of Barcelona.

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What I discovered among the highlights Let's go this. Okay, it was the 4th such festival.

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I'd never heard of it before, but what I had heard of is that it was inspired by Leilani Farha who was the UN rapporteur who came.

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Among in her 6 7 year term of office in 2,017 she came to the Bay Area.

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And she talked with 1st they came for the homeless and several in Wood Street encampment and various many people and she wrote but she said and wrote in a report She had never seen such conditions.

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Except in very dire 3rd world countries. And not even today. Necessarily. And she, she was also very passionate.

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She's from Canada, which has suffered a lot of the same kinds of trend real estate issues and trends and crises and housing.

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That we have. She, she's the publisher, producer, I'm sorry, of a movie called, Shift, which was a documentary about the role of the equity.

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Remember we had the equity partners, the hedge funds that are buying up single family homes and multi-family homes and student housing.

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And affordable housing. For seniors, even. So she was, aghast and created a nonprofit to.

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Let people know grassroots and governments of the dangers of this trend. And so when she was in Europe She was telling everyone she met network network network network.

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Well, she didn't deliver that message to us, but I'm delivering it for her.

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And she was the instigator. She was the reason this bestival came into being. Back in 2017 and it's been held in 4 cities Leon Frass, Amsterdam.

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Helsinki. And now Barcelona. And next in 2025 it will be in Dublin.

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And I learned about this festival and the pieces that were part of it. Beginning with Barcelona itself so cities the barcelona social housing plan back in 2013 actually a woman who was the commit housing commissioner or housing minister, Barcelona's and around Spain they elect not just a city council or a mayor they elect a minister of housing.

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What a concept. And that person has autonomy, has as much autonomy as the mayor to use and specifically is responsible for housing policies and production.

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So, the mayor spoke. And brought with her a, a, a, special, a bridge version.

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Of the, Barcelona housing plan, which You can just see a lot. You can Google this.

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You can read it. I have my copy with me. And essentially, this commissioner ran for mayor and won and proceeded.

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It's always backwards. I'm sure. Yeah. And, I wish I could share it with you.

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I am a data walk and, but the point was that she committed the city to build I think something like 9,000 more social housing units.

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By that she meant public housing. And housing built by a private. Cooperatives, housing cooperatives, and nonprofit housing like we have.

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Community housing developers here. And that's the basis of of EBO is actually an association of these.

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Nonprofit cooperative, I'm sorry. Of the nonprofit housing sector. Hearing in the East Bay, but there's groups like it all over the state.

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And, about 8,000 of those units, not just public, but also, cooperative, private.

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Limited equity cooperatives. As well as these community housing developers had built. Between 8 and 9,000 by the time we met in Barcelona.

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And, she also lost her election. For reelection bid and I'm I'm glad to say since then the new mayor also renewed the commitment to complete the plan which would add another 3,000.

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So we're talking about almost doubling the number of what we would call affordable, affordable housing units.

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And I put this in quotes because I'm not gonna, I just don't want to get into a discussion about who considers.

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What housing to be affordable. But the main thing is that it's permanently the cost of housing is set in these units.

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There's it's set. To. Be aggregated or it's it reflects the income.

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And it and the whole rather than the profit. So prices rents and housing prices in this. Sector in this labeled Big tent label of social housing.

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You know, it was so confusing. Everyone asked me what social housing and it's not a type of housing although sometimes that term has been used.

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It's not a, ownership type, although It's not just public or just private.

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It is permanently affordable in the sense that it is never bought or sold or developed for profit. I'm sorry, look in the wrong place.

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And that was revolutionary. But the Barcelona housing plan was only one. Of many, many, many cities, regions, and nations in Europe that are behind this festival and doing this work.

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Of making housing a human right, making that real. So the lead sponsor and the organizer of this festival took me a long time to kind of winkle this out is a group called Housing Europe.

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And the name, the actual name of Housing Europe and Rains, can you actually bring up their website?

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Not in the middle of it. Oh, I thought we were gonna be able to do that. Well, essentially it's the federation of public cooperative and social housing developers.

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Now, I ripped my hair out because they're the social housing is being used in a big way to include all of these different elements.

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Public cooperative, which is to say resident owned and operated housing. And social housing basically meaning nonprofits that produce affordable housing.

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For different groups and needs. So, 46 national and regional federations so public entities are part of this.

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Established in 1988 and now it's 46 federations this happens to be in Europe but in fact there's countries doing other similar things that are part of the festival.

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So, 43,000 local housing organizations. Right? So national and regional federations are like the ministers of housing or.

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Our equivalent of HUD, but it's made up from about the bottom up. It's a federation that starts with local housing organizations and advocacy organizations and tenants groups if they.

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Tenant groups but mostly more in the advocacy and alternative forms of affordable housing realm. 25 million dwellings.

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So multiply that. I don't know by 2 or 3. That's how many people. Have safe, stable, affordable.

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Housing as a result of this federation. They They keep track of their numbers. That's something we just hardly ever see here in our own governments or even, you know, how many new ones, 200,000, I'm sorry.

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So I'll just stop there. This is a Mighty big tent. Coalition. It's not a coalition because it persists.

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Apart from any particular legislation, these these are self-motivating behind the central goal. housing is a human right and, and every local housing organization does something a little bit differently, but it's within this vision.

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Oh, you've already talked to this. Oh, I'm sorry. I'll just I'll just keep moving on, but it's a great.

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Great group. This it didn't. The other group that I was very impressed by but haven't learned as much about is the International Union of Tenants.

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This predates anything, this predates the UN. And, sort of broke down after world during World War 2, but, Started up again and it's been active.

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It's also a federation, a cooperative federation of local tene unions forming state tenant unions.

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Or and then a national tenant union and then an international union it's currently operating in 27 countries it supports itself part mostly by its own membership dues.

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Has its own convention and it publishes a national status report. This particular booklet they gave out at the, at the festival.

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And it reports on the. Again, the social housing, they're using that big term.

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Within each country. And the the highest country in Europe is is is. The Netherlands.

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I think many people may have heard about Vienna, but that's lower on on the list.

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The Austria, but it's in Spain where we were hosted it was just 2%.

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But there's so there's a big range, but. Essentially, folks are keeping track of the numbers.

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In their own city, in their own country, and, and, in Europe, which of course has its own governmental parliamentary system.

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Next. I'm blathering on. Okay. So what can we learn from this?

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So one is that I wanted to bring to where we are here in the US. So we have many components of this system.

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One of the impressive parts in the Barcelona is that there's a region like a metropolitan area wide, several groups.

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One is called, people, create housing cooperatives and these, limited equity or 0 equity housing cooperatives, which are then governed and managed.

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But with assistance, governed and managed by the residents. This is something our public housing here in the US we actually had a whole little mini movement in the eighties for resident governed resident managed housing.

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Just think of that. That was. Being discussed and debated and brought up. And then, the administrative administration shifted.

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The winds changed and suddenly I never heard about it again. But there are, there are public housing, authorities that empowered the residents of particular buildings to act like a cooperative cooperative.

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So before that, let me just share. Before that, we had a national policy of supporting cooperatives.

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And that also disappeared under the Reagan era. Training handbooks, like how to become, it was called home owner, you know, it's called, sorry, it's called working, class homeownership.

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And it was it was promoted heavily from the thirtys to the to at least the seventys and eightys and right now only one program.

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Under the federal government still exists and that's for senior cooperatives. But I wanted to announce in this one arena of cooperatives.

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Because the US has a hundred, 150 years. Of what was called so what we would now call social housing.

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Many, many, here's, a whole, This is not even the complete list, but.

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It's like each generation discovers, oh, maybe we can create housing for ourselves. Now we have people living on the streets in tents and vehicles.

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Realizing this same thing. And our government, of course, our government policy has been co-opted and undermined.

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For all of this for many, many years, but this is our history, our heritage.

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So just Just to, yes.

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That's it. And there's a note, there's a note on the chat. From Bruce Wolff.

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Oh, hi, Bruce.

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We, we.

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San Francisco Community Land Trust has several 0 equity co-ops. Maybe you wanna ask them to say something.

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Oh, I'll wait till later. Bruce and I are part of several coalitions, so it's great to see him here.

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Norma, we're waiting until Betsy. Closes and then we're gonna speak.

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Okay.

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Yeah, I I can call on him for sure because he is very much in the trenches around a lot of these issues and I respect him greatly.

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Thank you, Norma. So I wanted to mention because I just found out about it myself.

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There's a national incubator. Program to train people to start co-ops. Now, Trainings have been offered.

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You know on a small scale here in the Bay Area but I think if any of you are familiar with the tenant tenant opportunity to purchase act which is still working its way through various communities but was opposed.

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Greatly in most cities that were where there was a grassroots group wanting to start them. So cooperatives.

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Resident ownership on a land piece of land that's owned either by a public actor or by a community land trust is one of the in my opinion, best new tools because you, you know, we can get into that later and maybe Bruce can talk about it too.

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So there's this incubator and, I can speak to it if anyone's interested.

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Yeah, I'll just keep going. It's based out of New York, which has the largest number of cooperatives, both.

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Market rate and 0 equity and limited equity. I mean, this New York City is always has had this pioneering.

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Form of housing. For a hundred years at least. So they're training people in how to start, help other people start more co-OP.

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California CLTs showed up at the. Are enrolled. Unity land trust. The other ones. Community development corporations.

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These are nonprofits that have led the way in housing often rooted in specific neighborhoods or particular racial ethnic.

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Leadership that's yeah culturally appropriate. So, I just, I'll skip through this quickly, but, There's about 3.

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There were about 400,000 cooperatively owned. housing units in the US it's dropped that word limited equity or shared equity being a preferred term or 0 equity.

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And now, hearing, many of those have fade, have become market rate. Don't go into too much more.

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But just to say there's plenty of co-ops here in California, even though they're largely invisible to most housing policy people.

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They have persisted. And grown. So California cooperatives are about

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I'm not, I can't quite read there, but they're about 5% of the total.

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In the US. So I wanted to speak to I'm gonna wrap up like I said I'm not gonna go into every kind of what might be called social housing is really social housing is like a strategic communication term.

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Historically, it's been used for all sorts of concepts, you know, group homes for the development, disabled or but really in this case, What I saw in Europe, what I saw with the, all of the festival and with the, the federation, housing Europe is, is what they've agreed to is it's permanently affordable, never to be sold or operated for

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profit. So that, and that there's a whole wrap around vision of, and paradigm of like, more but of how cities should operate and how they should be participating.

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But I, I just want to call out, the largest tenants group here in California.

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It's a big tent. Okay. I think close to a hundred different membership groups, including tenant unions from many cities and community land trusts, a few community land trusts.

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I know Julia has been active with that and other people Julia Cato our own former chair of the Berkeley tenants union and of course now we have many other tenants actions.

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All right, I'm being coached. I just wanna say we have this opportunity. There's been an enormous amount of effort to organize tenants.

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Around the state because we have more renters and they're more exploited. Than ever before.

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So 10 min together, I admire they have monthly calls and I would like to encourage everyone on this call to go look at their website if you're not familiar with them.

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To join. If you can, and more specifically to endorse their tenants bill of rights.

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Which looks pretty close. To. Pretty close to the UN definition of the right to housing.

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Terms that we were discussing and it's actually very close to the Biden administration the White House put together a proposed Bill of Rights.

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They haven't launched it yet, but I think it's worth looking at. And here in California, I'm a little unclear, but I don't think this has passed yet.

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Julia, do you know?

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So This I think it's, so this is. This is a recommendation. I would like EBHO and public housing authorities if they have the ability and economy to also endorse.

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Attendance bill of rights. There's There's no point in creating an alternative form of housing.

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If tenants are still tenants without any protections of rights right so we have a lot of nonprofit landlords and Great Panthers gets phone calls from people living in those affordable senior buildings.

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Who are who are harassed, believed, confused. And, and there needs to be clarity about, about all tenants, all renters.

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And that is that is what the UN, that is what the international lesson. That's what I saw happening.

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In Europe is, is, is still to be developed. And I think we should hear. Consider allying ourselves with tenants together no matter what we do in the housing field.

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Endorse the Tenant Bill of Rights. So, I'm asking actually particularly my fellow Grey Panther chapters here in California to consider doing this and to use these the tenant rights issue and support for housing of the human right to question all candidates for office.

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And last, not really lastly, but. I want to encourage all of us to be aware that SB 5 5 by our local Aisho Wahab, Senator from Fremont.

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That a bill was passed that identifies a requires a study group on permanent affordability. As our state housing policy.

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And the term social housing was dropped from the title of this bill and another definition of social housing was used by another bill.

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That failed. So I'd like to see us participate in the study group and start lobbying to be part of the study group.

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And as far as I'm concerned, any group you're part of. Let's make sure we're part of this.

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Discussion of SB. 5 5 5 about what is. The creation of a definition of permanent affordability and then working state policy towards that definition.

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We also have the Bay Area. Housing Finance Agency here in the Bay Area, which is raising, I believe it's going for 20 billion dollars.

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And I don't know what definitions they're using public discussion is going to open soon and so let's get involved in those public discussions and work.

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I should see an opportunity to work for a model like the housing Europe. And to create and track.

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What is the stock of permanently affordable housing across a range of needs across a range of groups but just work that and shape that discussion.

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About who gets counted, who gets funded, and where we need to go as as a East Bay or Bay Area or the state.

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Alright.

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And I believe that there's been, public comments.

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Yeah, but they aren't involving grassroots groups at the moment.

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Yeah.

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At buffer already that they already ongoing. So just, Yeah. I'm not saying whether they are, whether they are and I'm just making a statement that public comments have been opened up already.

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Excellent. Excellent.

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And so, yeah, and they are where they have been attending. Because I've actually attended some of them to kind of.

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Thank you.

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See, but be that as it may, we just kind of went put put put that out there and Betsy, we really wanna thank you for this big.

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Extremely informative. Presentation about. Social housing and how it is applicable. Here in North America and specifically California.

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Thank you. So very much. And I'd like to.

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Bruce made a statement, Bruce Wolfe about, San Francisco Community Land Trust has several 0 equity.

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I really like him to, explain that. What does 0 equity come up If he could.

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Hey, maybe off the call now.

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I can share what that is, but if someone else wants to take it, I'm glad for it.

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So do you want me to take it? Arlene, do you want to skip to another question?

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Or?

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I don't see any other, that was the only statement that I I've seen that really

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Okay, I think it's important. But within the sphere of cooperative housing cooperatives today.

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They are legally defined the documents that So the original documentation, basically a group of people own. And operate housing for themselves.

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And it's it's a corporation just like a nonprofit is a corporation IBM is a corporation.

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A housing cooperative is a legal form. Of collective organization. And the, some most cooperatives, they're set up to be housing for the members, but the, the, the members put in the money and it used to be a group of people could put in the money and buy a building or buy a piece of land and then pay to construct an apartment building.

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And there are hundreds of thousands of these around the country. Another category of howing cooperative though, really is the, the, arena.

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That's most of concern for us. It limits the equity. In other words, the equity you pay in to have a unit.

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To have the right to live in a unit. Or own a unit depends on how it works and when you own the unit privately as an individual you sell the unit for whatever the market will bear.

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And there are many of these in New York City and co ops are a little bit less than private homes.

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And condos because of the complications of shared governance. But the market rate is market rate. Limited equity means that when you put in your money or your down payment, whatever you want to call it, you put in a money to buy a share of the cooperative corporation.

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You're only gonna get back a certain. Like maybe 10% on your investment or when the unit is sold, the price is set by the membership.

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And the corporation as a whole, the cooperative as a whole gets a portion of the profit. And guaranteed the research is very clear.

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Cooperatives have lower rates of foreclosure. Lower rates and their prices are about a 3.rd Less at least a 3rd less.

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Then. Then private or, for profit housing for private homeowners. But a portion of cooperatives are set up and this is the type of cooperatives that.

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Housing and urban development set up specifically for poor, for the poorest. Americans and that is you don't have to pay anything more than a deposit to move in and you essentially rent but you rent with a stake.

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In governing and maintaining the whole. Property. And Not everyone and some of those those are essentially look like affordable housing except They look like.

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I'm sorry, they look like public housing in many cases and in some cases the they they're They haven't kept up a culture that says, wait a minute, we own this.

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Or at least we govern this. And so 0 equity means that you don't need to have a pot of money behind you.

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Even the cooperative limited equity cooperatives might be $2,000 $5,000. $17,000, 22.

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What? To join to enter and joining means that you now own. You co-own. The entire building or set of buildings.

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And so, means that you don't have to pay a fee in order to enter into it versus having to pay a fee.

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Yeah. Well, and yeah, thank you.

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Okay. Sit. Yeah. Okay, I'd like to ask the audience.

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Does anybody want to respond? Does anyone have any statements that they would like to? Pose during this.

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After this presentation that we just witnessed.

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Anyone? Okay.

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Okay. Julia has a hand.

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Julia?

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Yes.

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Okay, I just. Is my microphone on, yeah. Oh. Okay, I just wanted to say that limited equity co-OP.

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L the amount you can resell them for so it keeps it permanently affordable. That's that's That's why the equity is so limited.

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They can't make a, you know, they can't just people can't just come in and buy them and then.

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I live in a few years and sell them at some ridiculous profit. And that's why they're so significant and important to our Hello, you know, affordable housing community.

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That's all.

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Thank you. Thank you, Julia.

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Art.

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No, we're sticking to the subject so if it's related to the social housing topic.

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And is brief. Sure, go ahead, you're on.

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Norman?

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Oh yes. Oh, you talking about your client on me?

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Yes. Oh, I was 1st on the list.

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No, Norma. Norma has a hand raised. Art was first, st okay, All right, this person in the queue. Go ahead.

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All right.

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Okay. 2 questions. Betsy, what was the most exciting thing you learned while you were in Europe?

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And secondly, besides joining tenants together. What else would you suggest as a priority for areas of activism?

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For us here in creating more affordable housing.

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Well, people still call. People still need they're in crisis and urgency and I respect.

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I respect and wanna support organizing groups, groups that are building a base of support. You know, where people are going, you know, might be door to door or church to church.

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And inviting people in to learn about this stuff. I'm not good at that, you know, I'm good at this thinking like our theme thinking systems in big picture and I think it iss thinking systems and big picture.

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And I think it is absolutely critical that we make sure that thinking systems in big picture. And I think it is absolutely critical that we make sure that the BAFA, this Bay Area funding agency has has a place.

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For community organized tenant organizing groups at the table. And. And the homeless that people who are homeless are still human beings with thinking brains.

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Not many people are in crisis. But the level of ingenuity and strategy I think we also should be including the voices of of the unhoused who have ideas and have organization.

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I'm thinking particularly the National Association of vehicle residents. We're having this, I'm not, I have, I don't live in a vehicle, but they're having a summit in June.

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So getting interested and having a big tent and not restricting ourselves just to. No, that's not that one.

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So I think collaborating and having at least one person in your Panther chapter who's reaching out and talking to the non-professional housing justice.

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Organizers and advocates. Can be an incredible. Personal experience. That's that's not what I got out of the festival because.

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But I saw that that was a missing voice there and they care about they have. They're having, you know, you know, wars and climate disasters are understood.

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They're going to create millions. They've already pushed millions of displaced people into European countries.

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And this is one place where that seen and understood and want to be incorporated and planned for that the housing the most exciting thing to me was to see this federation.

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This federation, this big tent, federation of public. Non-profit and cooperative housing developers or managers of housing.

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Because Just talking to each other, we're stronger. And this particular federation has incredible statement of vision and values about what they are committed.

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And.

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And you could say that's just pieces of paper and words, but There was a real energy. And commitment and I would love to see some of that.

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Us fertilizing each other and collaborating. We don't have to, yeah, thank you.

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And I want to piggyback off of Betsy that in there's a national chapter of Great Panthers, right?

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And so what other great panthers throughout the country are involved in? And so, have we even spread the net out in our own house?

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The lack of better way to stay it. Like how many people even know about? Has there been a presentation for the, national?

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So anybody that's in anything national. We wanna begin to spread the word, not only here in California, but throughout the country because it's not only impacting the country.

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The this state, but we also impact is being impacted throughout the country, especially what real estate investment trust, hedge funds, etc, etc, is constantly extracting and how we can move in a different direction.

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And.

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Thank you, Early. And I would say, I have well, do you think I've successfully brought this message to the national council which is fairly small.

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About 12 chapters.

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Well, we could.

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Okay, so.

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I don't, I don't think I have. I don't think we have. So, and what's important is this strategy is not top down.

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We, this is me, but I think many of us want to see a more democratic base.

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For these solutions because The people who are closest to the action are the people who should be setting the guidelines and designing the accountability systems and managing the housing.

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Lowest is not the right word, but you know closer to the people who

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Yes. And yeah.

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Those who are being the most impacted. And so, Norman is raising, waving her hand at the screen.

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Yeah.

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A, we want to give Norman opportunity to.

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Yeah, one of our.

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Hey. Hello everybody.

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We want to keep it, we wanna keep it, we wanna keep it at 3. Okay, thank you.

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Okay.

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I will. I will, I promise. They, that's a snap, snap, snap.

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I can't snap my fingers anymore, but. The way you went about it was just lovely.

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I'm wondering, well, 1st of all, I wanna make sure does everybody know that there is a place I got mine in the 3 dots at the bottom of my screen.

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There's a place called reactions and in that you can raise your hand. Just to make sure everybody knows how to get involved in this. Well, you could raise your hand, but we can't see everybody at one time.

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So, getting back to That I made a note to myself. Now let's see. Did Betsy, I got in here late.

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Did Betsy make a reference? To the social housing that went on. In the early 19 hundreds.

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Okay. Okay.

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Hello, Betsy.

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Sorry.

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We do. We didn't go ahead Betsy.

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Yes, but go on.

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Okay. Well, where you, you were you gonna say something? Did you get into the thing?

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She's so instructive to know what the people, the immigrants, the communists, so instructive to know what the people, the immigrants, the communists, the Jews that came to the United States in the early 19 hundreds, late 18 hundreds, early 19 hundreds, what they did because of their political background, which has been totally denied to the United States people.

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So if, there can be an intention to make sure that that is commented on or if anybody has a question about what I'm talking about it I've just said what it was is that people ran their own housing.

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In the early 19 hundreds they were bunch of socialists And it all got stolen away from them because that's the system we live in.

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The American system of we will grab whatever you get or whatever you want and take it away from you and sell it back to you at unobtainable prices.

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Okay.

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Oh good. Good.

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Yes, Norma. I actually had one slide. Documenting just a few. Of the 150 years of what we would now call social housing but essentially of cooperatives and communes and many of them still exist.

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What I'm saying is

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A number, many failed, many failed. We're still learning how to do it, but,

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They failed because the stuff got stolen from them. It was, which is why, that's why people hate Stalin.

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Stalin just said.

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Well, I'm gonna say that I believe. Not, yeah. Time for us, yeah. One piece of history.

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Okay, okay. We want to keep this moving because we want to be respectful of people's time.

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And

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Oh, I'm sorry. For the sake of time. Because we are running.

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What is our time?

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Well, absolutely, absolutely.

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Out of time. And so we have Dominique and we wanna be respectful of her time. And so we have like.

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I would like to hold. The statements until after Dominique Hello, present and then we can resume the statements from Jenna, Michael, Maria, and Richard, please.

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Thank you. And so I would like to, present Miss Dominique Walker. To present to us at this time.

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Thank you.

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Good.

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Hey, everyone. I would just like to thank you all for the work that you all do on a daily basis and also for inviting me to speak today.

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I guess I'll start off. About, speaking about my trip to Barcelona.

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This April. And some key takeaways. For myself and representing monster housing.

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We were invited to an I know I don't wanna butcher the name, I'll just say it in English, it's an encounter and it was a 2 day.

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Activist convening in Barcelona where we toured. Places where folks had occupied land.

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And it was a time for us to connect and share our struggles. And. It was my 1st time traveling internationally.

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Good.

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So that was amazing. Opportunity for me. But what I learned is, power structures are the same.

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And it's important that we build power. That was one of my key takeaways.

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Because I act some of the like they were having encampments and They built like centers and gardens and By everyone is riding bikes so they have a bike shop.

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On land that they have taken over. To stop the development of. And speculation going on in Barcelona.

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It was so similar to the things that we're up against in the Bay Area. It's really important that.

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We organize with each other. So one of the things that moms for housing, is working on his doing an international convening.

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Probably on Zoom, we wanna do it in person in the future, but, next year it will probably be on Zoom to connect.

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And another takeaway is that we have to be radical because these speculators, these corporations they are moving, they're finding loopholes and our laws, they're doing whatever is necessary to gain capital.

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And we have to be have power to push back. Against that on the ground and locally local government.

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That's some of the things I learned there.

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There were a lot of, neighborhoods and in Barcelona where we were in each neighborhood.

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Had their own tenants union. And each one of those tenant unions focused on the specific issues of that neighborhood.

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And I thought that that was really neat and one of their models is like They, you're in the tenants union and you use it like a vaccine.

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So folks are in the tennis unions that are not having like rent issues at the moment. But just to prepare themselves for what is gonna happen in the future.

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And I think that that was just so important. To my way of thinking because if you think about like people come to even moms for housing when they're on the face.

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Of eviction like when they're about to get evicted and they need support. I'm like, what if we were already organized?

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Yeah.

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We could She'll up different and with more of a force if we were already constantly every day doing the work.

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And. I I don't know what else. Thanks, wanted me to talk about.

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That's like. That's very personal level that you brought it to us all. And I failed to mention that Dominique is a participant with moms for housing who took over the house in the city of Oakland from the Big real estate, Wedgwood Company.

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And it is now a housing. And wrap around services for moms and children. They offer resources. And one of the things that she mentioned that's really critical is that before we get in crisis, Because that's what happens by the time people get 2, a 2 to the need.

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And I seeking our assistance, we're already in crisis, whereas when she was talking about the vaccine.

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Is before you get to the crisis. And so I really appreciate it even the way that you describe that because it's really important because so many people are in crisis and able to handle so many things because we constantly living in a state of crisis.

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Yeah.

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In our health, in our housing, our daycare, our economics, our employment, education, reentry of veterans, LGBTQ, parents, we just have this whole wheel of people that are constantly in crisis because of the situations that's perpetrated here, not only here in North America, this is a global thing.

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And so I really appreciated the way that you spoke about the vaccine and how can we begin to develop that because it's not just about the organizations joining this particular thing but the people.

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That's going to speak about what's wrong with them because the top has don't necessarily always know.

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So I appreciate you so much Dominique. Thank you so much for that.

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Thank you, Dominique.

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And, now we're gonna, we're gonna resume back. We gotta circle back.

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Thank you so much for even being here, Dominic. I appreciate all you guys here today.

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Thanks.

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Do I ask? I need to ask. You told me I can't. Okay.

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Yes.

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Hello.

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Can you hear me, Arlene? I'm sorry to interrupt. But I, I put a little bio of Dominique.

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I got you. I got you.

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I'm so grateful you. And to both of you for pulling this out. Okay, and I just want people to understand see if, Dominique, if you would like to say a few words about the different organizations you're part of in addition to moms for housing.

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Yeah.

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Sequency, yeah, because we didn't mention secrecy. Come on now.

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And I'm talking about secrecy in addition to

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I don't know. If you want to say a few words about for Ace A. Well, I'm talking about ACE, which has Okay, we can if there's someone here from I'll stop we wanted to hear from groups that are front line in this housing justice housing development, you know, finding anyone who's in a frontline organization working on these issues, wanted to at least hear

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whether you or your organization how you are responding to housing is human right or what your particular specialty and expertise is in.

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So if there's anyone else who might want to share or if Dominique would want to share about some of the other work that's great but I really appreciate thank you.

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Oh.

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Yes, I I can share. So as far as moms for house and we were founded on the belief.

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That that housing is a human right it is our birthright it should not be commodified So we absolutely believe in that we work boots on the ground.

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Working to get development for low income and 0 income out because we need that as well. And also doing policy work with the city of Oakland.

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And one of the challenges that we come into like for instance Carol 5 had a something go to counsel and it was passed unanimously.

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Pass to turn the old Navy base into emergency housing. And it was passed, but here we are years later and there's no implementation.

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So what the things that we're struggling now with is the city administration and and everybody that are supposed to work with the implementation that part is not is not happening.

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But we're continuing to organize. I'm not boots on the ground with C for C, but we work with them directly.

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With moms for housing and, with policy work. In the city of Oakland and also direct actions.

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I am also a rent board commissioner in the city of Berkeley. And right now one of the biggest thing is getting the ballot measure.

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You see that?

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It is Berkeley tenant protection and the right to organize ballot measures. So if you're in the city of Berkeley and you haven't signed that.

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Ballet, please. You can contact me. I'll come by and get your signature.

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A lot of the landlords, they have a ballot measure coming and they have their signatures.

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We are trying to get our signatures, we're hopeful that we'll get them, but they're basically trying to gut our rent protections in the city of Berkling.

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And you pulled up?

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And, that's something that we're working hard to fight against. It seems like a lot of the work that we do on the rant board is closing loopholes that landlords have figured away around.

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So that's a little bit of what I'm doing. And if you have any questions, I have like 5 more minutes and then I have to go.

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Because it's the early day here in Berkeley.

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Thank you and rings just put up your flyer. Oh, he's about to.

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And also, if you have any questions and because, you know, for the sake of time, she has to go get her baby and maybe to pass it, you know, put it in the chat, maybe we could pass it from Great Panthers to Dominique and you know in one form letter and you know.

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Maybe even come and do some presentations. Who knows? I don't know. But just, of course, because it's all about collaboration.

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So that's where our strength is gonna come from. We all have to collaborate. And so, any questions anyone?

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I do. How do you sign for the tenants protection? The petition. How can we do that?

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Oh, well. We are canvassing, right? Can you all hear me? Okay, we're canvassing right now.

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Actually, if some volunteer is canvassing in my neighborhood, but if you. Need to sign, we can have somebody come by, and sign.

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I live in district 2 in Berkeley, in Berkeley every day. So if you want me to stop by so you can sign a petition.

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I'm willing to do that. I can drop my number. Let's see. Or email address email.

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Your email or you know some contact information. Yeah.

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I'll put my email in the chat and if you need me to come by so you can sign.

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We're trying to have our signatures in. We need to have them in by Friday. So, before Friday, I can stop by and have you all sign and I'm dropping my email.

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Oh my god.

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Chat right now.

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Thank you so much.

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Friday. Cheryl, I know where you live. I live a block 2 blocks away. I have petitions.

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I'm back on Friday, unfortunately. Can I? Will that work? For, well, can I get a signature on Friday and have it be valid Dominique?

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Oh!

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I'm not sure. I think there's a cutoff might be 5 PM, but I don't know if you have Leah, Simon Weisberg's information. He is.

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Yeah.

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The petitions to be turned in so she would have that information.

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Okay, thanks. But I'll be your backup because.

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Thank you.

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I live real near Cheryl. Thank you. Oh.

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Excellent, excellent. I love network network network, collaboration.

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So, yeah.

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A question.

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Thank you.

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Dominique, what? What tenant protections are being under threat or being taken away in Berkeley is one of them rank control?

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It's not actually rent control. It's just amendments to our ordinance. They're specific ones and if you want to know like that, I just don't have it all.

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The ordnance is like 2 pages or something. So I can send this specific thing that the landlords are trying to do.

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And, if you go on, I think it's East Bay. tenants.com.

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Let me see. I think I wrote it. They are not gonna send that to you. It has exactly.

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What the landlords are trying to take from our ordinance and what we're trying to do specifically to strengthen the ordinance.

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All of that. Let me see if I can find it. I'll drop it in a chat before I.

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Jump off.

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Okay.

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And if you have to go first, st we've got people who could do that behind the scenes back you up.

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Okay, thank you. I really have to jump right now because I go get my daughter, but thank you so much for inviting me.

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Yeah. Thank you so much.

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In any way that we can collaborate just let me know, reach out to, I think you all have, moms for housing info, our email address, and we are gonna have some things where we would love to collaborate with you all on.

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So thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you all.

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Thank you and have a beautiful day. And lessons. Okay. Wow, that was awesome.

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We gonna keep, we gonna go back to the responses with the hands raised. The 1st person in the queue is Miss Jenna.

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Yes.

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Yes you are.

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Hi, am I audible? Okay, cool. This is just a brief question. Essentially about nomenclature.

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That's, you were talking about categories, but so what would we call the the category of housing that I think of as low low income where these buildings that are run by Saha and you refer to them where they take a percentage.

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It's often a 3rd of whatever your income is. And also, are there organizations, or do you know of buildings where that have that kind of finance base but where the tenants themselves have are empowered to manage where they they literally can self-manage their buildings either here or in Europe or anywhere internationally.

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And thank you for this. This is. But that's that is it prompted that question.

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Yeah.

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Hello. Okay. So, Yes. So 1st off, You remember the slide where I said we have a hundred, 75 years of conflicting competing co-opted housing policy.

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Couldn't see it, but yeah.

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So, Saha for better for worse is what well, is belongs to, the whole sponsor of this.

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Okay.

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They are mission aligned nonprofit. Housing developers and managers. And they manage the buildings that they build or buy.

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And they manage it, they have their own staff. There is a whole category of corporate of for profit.

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Housing owners developers managers that own 50,000 a hundred 1,000 units and they hire private property managers to manage and squeeze the budget so they can pay back their investors.

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There's also though The way. All of the category of section 8, which is a HUD program that specifically has been Limited and underfunded for many years.

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People who receive a Section 8 voucher are usually in the very bottom of income. They have to meet poverty standards, which is just a number set years ago with a formula.

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In 1959 and has not really been adjusted but we're not going to go there okay

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Yeah, it is. It is, it is absolutely a program that's essential, but because, you know, the wins of policy change.

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Republicans and conservatives limited the number of, public housing units that are permanently subsidized or of any kind of units that are I'm not saying this right.

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So, the public policy shifted from building buildings where all the units in them were permanently subsidized to be Very low cost.

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Instead, we went to a voucher system. And only about, I don't know. A 3rd at most of people who would qualify.

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Very deeply subsidized rent. Ever get a voucher. Right? There are very few vouchers.

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Right, cause they're closed. Right.

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When you get about, well, they have wait lists and they wait lists open up in different areas. It's a big deal.

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If you're looking to get on one of those lists. I highly recommend going to the Center for Independent Living or talking to because you, you have to get on the list, then you might get a, might someday get a voucher.

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And then only 16% of people who receive those vouchers. Actually find a place in the private housing market.

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The one? Yeah, go ahead.

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And so with the with the housing vouchers, housing vouchers are basically being used with continuum of care coordinated entry service for those who are homeless.

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Well.

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There are some that are actually getting it that are not. In that category. The bulk of the housing is for those who are participating in coordinating entry services who are disabled who might be under some sort of violence, intimate partner violence.

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There's certain categories, but the larger population is generally not really participating because it's such a small limited amount and the length of time that it takes for that to happen.

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Is really quite long.

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So absolutely and

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Do you see Margo's comment in the chat people?

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Reagan cut public housing and we're still suffering from this. Yes, those of us who are blessed with age and memory know that these programs have come and they've been cut back.

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I know fun. Bless.

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Hmm.

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And just to say that I before the homeless crisis really reached peak there was just the one program. Called Section 8 vouchers for the poor for people who were you know, an individual makes less than $14,000 a year.

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And you and is I am critical personally of the fact that. The, well, let me back up.

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So that was a program that's still going on and they're still new vouchers and it's not just for the currently homeless.

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Another set of vouchers. A program with a different name was set up for people who are homeless.

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Right? And there is, and I don't know how different public housing authorities work their different pots of vouchers and maybe there are no more section 8 vouchers but they existed and there are people living on those vouchers who have been living in senior affordable housing here in Berkeley is Redwood Gardens.

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So kind of, of after the eighties.

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Harriet Tubman. But there's a variety of tax credit. There's a whole bunch of complicated.

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Finding things that make make any given unit less than market rate. That's all.

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See it's.

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So just to not go into the, in the eighties, we no longer were really distributing public health, you know, section 8 vouchers.

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We were building, we weren't allowed to build any new public housing.

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We know in 1998 they stopped building with the fair cloth amendment. They stopped building public house.

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No, I'm agreeing. Yeah.

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And so now we lost here in the state of California. We lost over 15,000 units and they have never been replaced and there's no conversation about it.

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But that's another conversation. But it's basically housing choice vouchers that are now being used.

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RCD, satellite houses that are now being used, RCD, that are now being used, RCD, satellite housing organizations that are nonprofit are now the, satellite housing organizations that are nonprofit are now the participants that are building a house like the participants that are building a house like the largest management that is extracting a tremendous amount of money to me and bad manage

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well. Okay, I'm gonna keep it to myself. It's John Stuart is the largest, manager of housing here, in the state of California.

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And I don't even know naturally. But I'm just gonna throw that in.

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So I will just say. Go into the weeds just a little bit any building. That has been built by a mission aligned and is owned by a mission aligned.

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Will at least have the intention. Of fair and just management. And if they hire a private company to manage them, you know, it's arms distance.

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I will just say the ownership is your 1st line of inquiry. If it's owned by an incorporated nonprofit that has explicitly their mission is to support affordable housing, then you will have stable and legal rents, you know?

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If you're in a for profit company or and there's even some that game nonprofit status but if you're owned by a for-profit corporate type owner landlord, you will there's even worse exploitation that can happen.

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And they have contracts and when that contract a 30 year contract, correct me if I'm wrong early, but most of the affordable housing is done through a contract with HUD or with.

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No, it's not. Something happened, right?

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The city and when that contract expires. Some owners, and it's already happened just sell the building for market rate.

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They don't they're not committed to per permanent affordability even if you disagree with what is affordable.

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And even if you don't think they're serving the community. And that is one of the issues with being why we need to define permanent affordability and focus on increasing that housing stock.

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Otherwise, you know, the owners of Harriet Tubman can may be able to sell. They have a long contract.

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But, many other buildings across the country and in California have been sold. And gone market. Or the they've they're able to raise the rents the rents get raised according to the area median income which has nothing to do with you yourself with a fixed income.

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Hmm.

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Right? You're gonna get charged. And if you can't pay the increase, then you will, you have, you'll be evicted.

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We do have other. Yeah.

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And you know, the thing about it is that we know most of this is not supply and demand. It's very manipulated.

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Real estate investment trust investors who are driving up prices and we can't ignore that. And so as a result, this is where we sit at.

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And so when you look at, back in the eighties, when Reagan was in office.

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It was, DC was the 1st place where they actually began important time count because of. This impact on housing.

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It started there and now here we are in 2024. How many years later? But you know, with that being said, continuum of TS started here, you know, in 2,014 where they actually started implementing this whole circle of things.

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But that's just for those who are homeless.

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But.

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Apparently, got, I, yes, we got more. I'm gonna have a lot of problems.

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1st we have Maria.

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And that was specifically for people who were homeless. So the consum of care. So can I, can I ask Arlene, could we call on Richard and Michael David as as chapter leaders we're never we're never gonna see them as much.

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Is that all right?

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Oh, okay, sure. Sure. Well, I don't wanna, I, I don't wanna leave out Maria.

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Okay, so

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No, no, I'm just asking for people who are not. People who are part of other organizations that are doing housing work in some way so that was that was our priority for guests and Maria of course you'll You know where we live.

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Well, can I go?

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Well.

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So who are you calling on.

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Richard, Richard.

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Thank you, where for our focus is primarily on senior housing being a great panther chapter. Seems natural.

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And what I wanted to talk about, not it's not only where we're, we should be going, but also where the National Council of Great Panther Network should be going.

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And it seems to maybe there's a tension here. So what I'm hearing is you folks.

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They are.

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Seeing housing as a social movement. That in other words, tenants should get involved politically. To get to this, and they are and have been and and and they should be encouraged.

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Hmm.

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To get involved and basically create their own housing opportunities. And control them and be in charge of them. And of course, it has to be

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Right.

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That's 1, that's 1 possible outcome. That is not the might not work for seniors to do that.

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They might know.

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No, no, no, I'm there.

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Yeah, yeah, okay. Sorry.

01:31:06.000 --> 01:31:08.000
Okay. Well, we're gonna let Richard speak. We're gonna let me just speak. Go ahead, Richard.

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But on the other hand, I look at it as a funding issue. Where's the money? And so our emphasis so far has been on looking for where's the money to encourage our local elected.

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Housing authority people. And all the rest to basically create more housing. It's not so much coming up from the bottom, it's coming down from the top.

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So you're. This is what your chapter is doing. I'm sorry.

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Thank you.

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Terms of where the money is. Hi, let me finish. So I would like to know. About whether there's any examples of those 2 approaches coming together for seniors.

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I mean, we have There's something appealing about a bunch of old people standing with their walkers in the air shaking it, you know, saying, give us, give us the housing we deserve.

01:31:58.000 --> 01:32:04.000
And so there's something appealing about that. And yet, is it realistic? Is there examples of this actually happening?

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Good.

01:32:05.000 --> 01:32:09.000
So that's my that's where I'm at in terms of what do I take back.

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To my chapter. With that, thank you.

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And so, going to the buffalo meeting, right? So the buffer is the basic Bay Area housing finances authority, right?

01:32:21.000 --> 01:32:30.000
And so there are certain groups that have been attending. One of them is which is St. Mary's and the seniors and they actually attend the meetings.

01:32:30.000 --> 01:32:45.000
And participate in public comments. And so they are. Some that are already participating. So when you you mentioned that about seniors, you know, here we are all of us, and, and when you go to the meet, you see all of these seniors.

01:32:45.000 --> 01:32:54.000
So it is certain things are happening where people are participating in this movement. So it is certain things are happening where people are participating in this movement.

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Excellent.

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So I just wanted to kind of put that out there to you. In this movement. So I just wanted to kind of put that out there to you. In this movement. So I just wanted to kind of put that out there to you.

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If you do, if you do go to you will see certain participation. Of seniors.

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Right.

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Okay, Madam Chair, can I? May I respond as well?

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We wanted to talk, we wanted Michael to speak.

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Okay, I'll talk to you offline Richard about Santa Barbara. Yeah, thanks.

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Please. Thank you.

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Oh, I just wanted to make a couple of comments. I've been part of the mini subcommittee.

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For the national council of great panther networks. We've been meeting for well over a year, couple of years.

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About these issues. And we're trying to, we've had a lot of speakers come to us.

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We've looked at a lot of information. We're trying to write a paper now. To represent some of the ideas to get other people involved.

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And I've taken responsibility for working on the 1st chapter. I've worked for the on that for several months now.

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I wrote a chapter that basically talked about the investments, the, investors that are that are buying up housing.

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The venture capitalist as a way of. Parking their their money. In a way that they think will go up.

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So if they control all the housing. In a city, for example, they can control the rents.

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And they can make a lot of money doing that, driving people out. Anyway, I've been.

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I today I'm living in my sister's apartment which is a rent control department in New York City.

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I'm here to help her die. She has stage 4 cancer. And, so I'm suddenly in this situation of living in New York City in a rent control department.

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And it's been a real real culture shock for me. My sister has been living on her social security.

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She's a brilliant person. She's worked the system. She got her apartment in 1978.

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And she's paying $712 a month in rent. Now, she won't be paying that much longer because she won't be alive much longer, but that's, the history here.

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Now, I'm looking around trying to understand what the city is and how they work. She's in Calvary Hospital in the Bronx, so I'm taking 2 buses in a train or 2 trains in a bus to get to see her.

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And all this is written underwritten by the City of New York. Is the fares are very cheap.

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Compared to what they're actually offering. What I've learned is, she has a good friend who owns the building next door.

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And I was talking with him about it. Her building is now co-OP. That means that the apartments have been sold by a realty firm.

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And the building is owned by a co-OP. But she's paying $712 a month in rent because of rent control.

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And when she dies, the department will revert to the co-OP and they will sell it for probably a couple of 1 million dollars.

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That's the fair market value of where she lives. What I've learned from my friend is that her $712 doesn't even pay her fair share of property taxes.

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And that kind of set me back to thinking about property taxes and how that affects housing. We were talking about government finance, government, the vote government budget.

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Yeah, and we start looking at that, we look at how much is now drained by the, federally.

01:36:46.000 --> 01:36:53.000
By the. More than half our federal taxes go to payment on the debt. That's a fact.

01:36:53.000 --> 01:37:23.000
So our government doesn't have a lot of money to give us back for our taxes. That's there's a whole lot of governmental debt where they've done fast and furious accounting games and instead of maintaining the streets and maintaining our roads and so forth, they've spent their money on other things where they didn't collect enough money to adequately provide for the public.

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Hmm.

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Good. So I think in terms of any kind of long term housing. We have to look at the actual finances behind any housing that has to pay.

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And one of the basic things is property tax. Now my personal situation is we don't have a mortgage anymore.

01:37:37.000 --> 01:37:46.000
We own our home free and clear, but our taxes went up 5% last year. How many years can we survive on a fixed income?

01:37:46.000 --> 01:37:56.000
With our taxes going up every year. It compounds. It's gonna go up more as more property is sold and everything becomes so much more expensive.

01:37:56.000 --> 01:38:07.000
So I think that a national strategy for us has to include that as a factor in how we, we, we focus on, the housing problem.

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If we're going to be successful, we need to figure out what our values are. I agree with Betsy that housing should be a human right.

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But I don't know who pays for it. And until we really look at who pays for it, how we're going to have a public budget.

01:38:23.000 --> 01:38:27.000
We're not going to be able to really break free from the. The venture capitalists because they own the government.

01:38:27.000 --> 01:38:39.000
They have control over who votes on the in the legislature. And we really need an independent strategy. So that's what I'm.

01:38:39.000 --> 01:38:55.000
Proposing. We continue our discussion with that. I'd like to suggest that when we get our paper written, we should share it across all the networks with everybody getting a copy to participate in a structured discussion.

01:38:55.000 --> 01:38:57.000
We need to we need to figure this out. I don't see a solution. I'm living in New York and there are these incredible services that are absolutely essential.

01:38:57.000 --> 01:39:16.000
They, they clean the streets. They have a sweet street sleeper. And they collect, the, ticket the cars that are blocking the street cleaner.

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Okay.

01:39:17.000 --> 01:39:23.000
And I think that's kind of the metaphor for what we need in our. We have to be able to keep ourselves clean and operating at a minimum level.

01:39:23.000 --> 01:39:29.000
And I talked with people who live here. I'm just amazing. They can survive in this environment.

01:39:29.000 --> 01:39:33.000
I like living on a farm in Michigan. But it's really eye opening and I just wanted to lay that out as an issue.

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I don't think it's been really discussed.

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Wow, thank you so much for that commentary. I'm born and bred Brooklyn, New York.

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Okay.

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No.

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Yeah. And so, you know, I follows, I follow, they're talking about save section 9.

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There's a lot of public housing development that's being purchased. There's a lot of investors that have come to New York.

01:40:03.000 --> 01:40:10.000
And they have taken, they have purchased a lot of public housing buildings. There so there's a, going on there.

01:40:10.000 --> 01:40:11.000
Yes, yes.

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But is the property still on the tax rolls or do they get off the tax rules? That's a whole fairness issue.

01:40:14.000 --> 01:40:23.000
Yeah. And so, I appreciate you even bringing that up. Thank you so much. Maria has her hand raised and then we're going to get to Miss Maria, sorry to keep you waiting.

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And G.

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Alright. No, no, no, no, no, you're worth waiting for and I thank you so much, and I come from Queens.

01:40:30.000 --> 01:40:40.000
I don't know if you know that, but. Alright, so. Yeah, and Betsy, what a phenomenal presentation and thank you everyone for being here.

01:40:40.000 --> 01:40:48.000
I'd like to just make a few points. Being housed by Saha, the management is got awful.

01:40:48.000 --> 01:40:55.000
Such that all of my proactive. Let's adjust the elevators so that they don't present a tripping hazard, one literally dropped and is out of order now because they didn't listen.

01:40:55.000 --> 01:41:08.000
So whether it's John Roberts and lifelong or whatever. I want to caution us.

01:41:08.000 --> 01:41:30.000
To the co-optation of our. Intentions and language because Betsy you even mentioned thank God you know not for profits and etc. but These not for profit places if you look more deeply end up being exploited and you know again extracted from.

01:41:30.000 --> 01:41:43.000
In a very profitable way. So we really have to be stealth and aware of what really is happening just as some of the meetings that I've been to recently and town halls because we're having elections.

01:41:43.000 --> 01:41:51.000
There's a misrepresentation of the number of homeless people. There's the bragging on how Berkeley has reduced it.

01:41:51.000 --> 01:42:03.000
No. No, you know, so there's a lot of misinformation. We must really be Diligent, not accusatory, not you know.

01:42:03.000 --> 01:42:13.000
Prejudice but truthful in what we see because you know, this whole push for more housing doesn't.

01:42:13.000 --> 01:42:31.000
Oh, Clarify whether or not it's for just more money and so many of the people involved here are into perpetuating the problems so they maintain their salaries and or for again the exploitation and extraction of resources, which I wish.

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They would not waste. So much of due to, well, after the fact they're sued or where is the money actually allocated?

01:42:41.000 --> 01:42:55.000
So yes, finances. And bottom up. I, you know, it's quite a complex situation, but everyone here has a heart and a brain and I'm very, very, Very grateful.

01:42:55.000 --> 01:42:59.000
So thank you.

01:42:59.000 --> 01:43:12.000
Thank you so much, Maria. And you so write about this latest point in time count. It appears as if the numbers have been slow, but we were having what do they call those things?

01:43:12.000 --> 01:43:18.000
When it rains they have a title for it now. When it's in the sky because it's so torrential.

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The weather was so bad on the point in time count day here. That, the numbers were gonna be reduced.

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And so, I see.

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That was. Yes.

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Yeah, but only even more to the point the people that wait let me just respond to that the people that profess to be doing this not that they're not great intentions but they don't even know where to look.

01:43:36.000 --> 01:43:42.000
I've had people asking me, where do we go to see? And I can take them there because I've been there.

01:43:42.000 --> 01:43:48.000
You know, so again, we need to close the gap. Who's asking and who are they listening to?

01:43:48.000 --> 01:43:57.000
Because again, you know, Betsy, the way that you integrate all of this information along with the boots on the ground like Arlene and Dominic.

01:43:57.000 --> 01:44:07.000
It's like Dominique. I mean, it's just we've got to be more coordinated and communicative and cooperative and I again am so grateful thank you.

01:44:07.000 --> 01:44:11.000
And that's why we have all of these cracks. And so we're gonna keep this moving.

01:44:11.000 --> 01:44:18.000
Thank you, Maria. We're gonna call on Miss Jane.

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Thank you. I live in a Limited Co-OP in Berkeley and I work for a low income non-profit housing association.

01:44:30.000 --> 01:44:44.000
And I have assured them that, the contract with the agreement with the city of Berkeley, is good and the city would not sell the property and Betsy I I'm taking notes.

01:44:44.000 --> 01:44:51.000
I'm a little distracted and I thought I heard you say that the city has or could sell.

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Things when the contract time expires.

01:44:54.000 --> 01:45:14.000
So let me just say. That the city of Berkeley sold all of its public housing stock all 72 units to a I don't a real T, it's called, anyway, I'd have to look up the D, but they sold it to an out of city.

01:45:14.000 --> 01:45:24.000
Potentially for profit and that is they may have had an agreement with the city that they will never be.

01:45:24.000 --> 01:45:34.000
Because if you own in our system, if you owned, you can always sell. Cause it's your property, right?

01:45:34.000 --> 01:45:48.000
But the certain types of institutions are set up legally so they can never sell for profit. And or there they have agreed that it must It will never be sold, period.

01:45:48.000 --> 01:45:58.000
It will. Whatever that means or it'll be sold in other words you have to bake in the legal agreements to the very core corporate documents.

01:45:58.000 --> 01:46:10.000
But yes, I don't think at this point the city does not own what you used to be owned by the city.

01:46:10.000 --> 01:46:11.000
So it's possible. It's possible.

01:46:11.000 --> 01:46:15.000
Doesn't own anything. In public housing. It sold those. And they're now, yeah, and they now compete for tax credits.

01:46:15.000 --> 01:46:28.000
And section, you know, they each one each landlord has its own formula and commitments. So I think the question was probably about, sorry, back running out.

01:46:28.000 --> 01:46:33.000
Well, so many, so it is so freaking complicated. I can't, I can, but I can tell you within the city of Berkeley, we have buildings owned by mission aligned.

01:46:33.000 --> 01:46:51.000
Berkeley based. Affordable housing developers. And you've heard they can be as potentially not conscious and good to their tenants.

01:46:51.000 --> 01:46:55.000
That's why we need that, you know, and then there are others that are not even under the supervision of the city of Berkeley.

01:46:55.000 --> 01:47:08.000
And those are the oldest. I'll just share. So we have Harriet Tubman, Redwood Gardens, Strawberry Creek Lodge.

01:47:08.000 --> 01:47:15.000
And Savo Island cooperatives. They all have different ownership. And limits to ever being resold.

01:47:15.000 --> 01:47:23.000
But Harriet Dublin in Redwood Gardens, senior apartments. Right, senior apartments.

01:47:23.000 --> 01:47:36.000
They were sold to an out-of-state group called foundation housing which then has proceeded to create its own little corporation, limited liability, limited.

01:47:36.000 --> 01:47:47.000
They have done their own thing where they make money by getting. They make money by refinancing the building.

01:47:47.000 --> 01:48:01.000
Those are the fees that Arlene was mentioning. And the question is where does the money go back to?

01:48:01.000 --> 01:48:02.000
So I got a question so that

01:48:02.000 --> 01:48:03.000
And at least in Sahi goes into their mission of affordable housing. I'll stop. Some got tax credits, literally every building is its own deal.

01:48:03.000 --> 01:48:07.000
And

01:48:07.000 --> 01:48:12.000
So the tenants find out about that ahead of time. They're not caught completely by surprise at the last minute.

01:48:12.000 --> 01:48:35.000
Well, the building until Let me just say they nobody has to notify the tenants. And that's part of the reason we wanted the tenant opportunity to purchase Act, which looked good, but I can tell you I got a whole bunch of nasty flyers that were secretly or anonymously put out or or clearly funded by the realtors.

01:48:35.000 --> 01:48:41.000
Party. The the California Association of Realtors. And they have a I'm getting astray.

01:48:41.000 --> 01:48:51.000
We have to understand that the primary policy and the primary lobbyists have always been for homeownership, which seems like a wonderful thing.

01:48:51.000 --> 01:48:58.000
And is in many ways, but it has. The, but right now tenants have almost no rights.

01:48:58.000 --> 01:49:04.000
The reason I put up that 45% is because landlords don't have Yeah, I don't need to tell.

01:49:04.000 --> 01:49:13.000
45% of the city doesn't have, is not legally, doesn't have a right to know who owns the building.

01:49:13.000 --> 01:49:19.000
So one of the one of the international bill of one of the tenants to Tenants United, tenants together.

01:49:19.000 --> 01:49:29.000
Bill of Rights is to know who the owner is. So that may not answer your question, Gene, but where do you live?

01:49:29.000 --> 01:49:30.000
I'm, I'm at Parker Street.

01:49:30.000 --> 01:49:38.000
And let's talk offline about the ownership of your building. Your co-OP.

01:49:38.000 --> 01:49:39.000
Oh, excellent.

01:49:39.000 --> 01:49:44.000
Well, we own it. The co-OP owns it. We're owners, but where I work, it's a mutual housing association.

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Yep.

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It's a form of cooperative. And, it's run by the board who are tenants and, and there's a 50 year period.

01:49:52.000 --> 01:50:04.000
I didn't know there would be one other than 50 years. I think that only the land trust now has the power to extend it indefinitely.

01:50:04.000 --> 01:50:11.000
Okay. So I would love, I probably can. We probably know each other from those circles.

01:50:11.000 --> 01:50:21.000
Why don't you, if you put your number in the chat or Maybe someone can put my number in the chat or or sign up for Grey Panthers.

01:50:21.000 --> 01:50:22.000
Oh, put my email address in there.

01:50:22.000 --> 01:50:29.000
We're having a social. Next week. Thank you. I'll leave it at that because some weeds are just too deep for right now.

01:50:29.000 --> 01:50:35.000
And I want to kind of reiterate that I want to put that out to anyone who is on here who is not a member of.

01:50:35.000 --> 01:50:36.000
Great, East Bay, Great Panthers or Great Panthers in general, wherever you happen to be located, we invite you to join us.

01:50:36.000 --> 01:50:48.000
We invite you to attend our meetings. We invite you to come and be a part of us. Thank you.

01:50:48.000 --> 01:50:49.000
So much.

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No age limits, no age limits.

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Yeah.

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And I see Miss Margaret. Move. I has her hand raised.

01:50:57.000 --> 01:50:58.000
Hi. Okay.

01:50:58.000 --> 01:51:22.000
Yes, hi. I wanted to respond to the how is it funded, you know, that's well there's 2 issues really some of these not-for-profit housing that the city of Berkeley sold to have deadline where the property can be sold.

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It was something like 50 years, but 50 years isn't very long because it's down to something like 20 years for a couple of these places now.

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And there's just such a lack of consideration about what will happen to these places and to the tennis.

01:51:41.000 --> 01:51:44.000
Who live there, it's very upsetting. And you asked how it would be funded. Well, we have several things going on in the state level.

01:51:44.000 --> 01:51:52.000
Well, we have several things going on in the state level. One is we have to get rid of things going on in the state level.

01:51:52.000 --> 01:52:01.000
One is we have to get rid of prop 13, which limits the taxes that corporations pay, we have to Get rid of cost of hawking so that more cities can vote for tenant rights.

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We have to reconstitute the redevelopment agencies that Gerry Brown got rid of, and we have to tax the rich.

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And that's how we're going to fund things and that's what we have to do at the state level.

01:52:20.000 --> 01:52:26.000
And I hope that that we can accomplish that sometime in our lifetimes. Thank you.

01:52:26.000 --> 01:52:31.000
Thank you so much for that wrap up because that is like bullet pointed that we really need to focus on and we have not.

01:52:31.000 --> 01:52:41.000
And so thank you so much for that information. I see Norma has her hand raised who will be the last person.

01:52:41.000 --> 01:52:44.000
And we will wrap up.

01:52:44.000 --> 01:52:52.000
Hi, everybody. I need to tell you this. Betsy has tried to, rein this in.

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The way that, the Soviet Union got to be able to. Insist on housing for everybody was they opted out of the war in 1915.

01:53:05.000 --> 01:53:07.000
Oh.

01:53:07.000 --> 01:53:22.000
Yeah, they opted out of the war in 1915. This means they they had the ability. Materially to provide housing for everybody, which was part of the mandate of building the communist nation.

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Which is the cause of all the warring and stress and debt that the imperialist countries have. Put up.

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Since then, the impialist countries are trying and you've all been told this, you all know this, but it's real hard to put it deep into our.

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Heads and into our structure. Our structure is to protect the profiteering by our owners and we are, although the slavery system has changed and hugely.

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From channel slavery, needless. I mean, I can't express the degree of change from that to the present form of slavery where we We go to work for our bosses and they make money off of our labor and Marx wrote a couple of books about that.

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No.

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Thank you.

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Thank you. Arlene, it's nice to see you.

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Okay.

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It's great to see you too, Okay, this this has been like a really This has been a rich conversation.

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I thank you for the education. And for the interaction. I think Betsy for the organization of this, but gathering what she did.

01:54:34.000 --> 01:54:49.000
Oh, Betsy and Rains. I gotta bring rains into it. And I think everyone for attending.

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I thank you. Really for. Allowing us to hold a space and to think about this information.

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And share it out to your networks. We want, we want to spread this word out on these concepts about housing.

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Housing as a human right the issues that's impacting it what we need to do politically.

01:55:13.000 --> 01:55:22.000
The election that's about to happen. We want to push this information out. To the communities that you may be involved with.

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Whatever they might be because this is not insulated. It's part of a big cog. And it's moving.

01:55:30.000 --> 01:55:37.000
And we're all part of that. So I just wanna say. Please share this out with your network and I'd like to thank you for coming.

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Betsy?

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I notice that we have. Kiki Po from, She had to leave. Oh, she, what did her comments say?

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She's gone, yeah.

01:55:50.000 --> 01:55:55.000
Just have to check out. Thank you so much. Betsy, I'll follow up to get Morning Phone.

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Present. You to Emma about endorsing the tenant's Bill of Rights. Yes.

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Sweet. And, I just want to say Arlene and Carol and perhaps others of you, Rains and I personally are members of E.

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Even though and so Arlene and Carol have gone through this training program and process and are still members of EB.

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Yeah.

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I believe, you know, through your leadership program, which I give them great credit for even though This they came together as an association of affordable housing developers and bankers that support them, but mostly they have moved their programs the leadership to to make sure residents and community members are involved.

01:56:38.000 --> 01:56:46.000
So maybe. Just encourage that and that's great. Maybe we'll have meeting with them.

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Yeah, I just graduated from the leadership program Friday. Myself and as a young lady on here Gabriel Pierce.

01:56:54.000 --> 01:56:55.000
Oh sweet.

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She was part of my. Of my team where we have to, come up with a presentation.

01:57:01.000 --> 01:57:08.000
So, hey, Gabriel. And so we just graduated Friday and celebrated and so I'm so happy to see her face.

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Lovely young woman.

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Maybe you're part of that next stage of this, you know, because you're in the Yeah, just thinking about how to build this.

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Solidarity across and Thank you. Oh yeah. Yeah.

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And housing preservation. That's where our focus is at. That's what we, that's what our actually project was in the classroom.

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So we're looking to kind of keep this moving, keep this moving, keep this movement.

01:57:32.000 --> 01:57:54.000
So, we're gonna have ask people if you, we, see you're here today, would you put into the chat something if you know what organization you're with if it hasn't been obvious Just tell us something about people who's here today who are for the 1st time coming to a Great Panther meeting.

01:57:54.000 --> 01:57:59.000
So we're not gonna pass you with a lot of emails, but, it would be helpful to know.

01:57:59.000 --> 01:58:04.000
And we have also right up now, a slide that didn't got cut out of the slide show, but it's related to local action.

01:58:04.000 --> 01:58:12.000
That people can take. Great.

01:58:13.000 --> 01:58:24.000
But remember, this, this is affordable housing month. Is doing projects all through the month. Which street common has a product they've been working, ongoing, which 3 common is actually the largest.

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I don't know if anyone knows is the largest, encampment here in the city of Oakland, which in fact they close.

01:58:31.000 --> 01:58:32.000
And so

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Oh, they swept it. They. They took, yeah, sorry. Yeah.

01:58:37.000 --> 01:58:38.000
Okay.

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Terminology, tomato tomato is close. And so with that being said, it was the one year anniversary.

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That's the picture that you see up there with myself and now my hand was part of the California 4 People's campaign.

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And we went to the one year anniversary. Anniversary of the closure of which we common. And so Wish Recommons is also doing affordable housing month and different projects all from the month of April throughout the end of May I believe it is.

01:59:04.000 --> 01:59:11.000
And so anybody that's participating in an affordable housing month in any shape form of fashion. We want to be mindful of that.

01:59:11.000 --> 01:59:19.000
Go to Ed. Go to various sites. Look this information up and try to participate and share with your network if you can't just.

01:59:19.000 --> 01:59:22.000
Thank you.

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Juliet.

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Michael David, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. For your situation. I'm sorry for that.

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Julia Kato has any of

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Julia?

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Thank you. Now that we're done, I wanted to ask Betsy. It's my understanding that the degree of homelessness is far less in Europe than it is in this country.

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Is that the case?

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Well, in some cities and countries, yes. Because they, I mean, they certainly have the full range of mental illness.

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Drug problems and, and or and discrimination, you know, but there they've been better at preserving.

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Enough public housing and then social service housing. To help people sooner. You know, they do, but it's, they recognize those challenges.

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The big challenge that they're also facing is, you know, Syrian refugees. The war in Ukraine.

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Africans in Somalia and I guess is Rwanda. I mean, people who are driven out.

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Of their own countries that have no particular they you know and they can't even be in their own countries or villages.

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Hmm.

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You know, so they're much closer to that kind of mass. Mass eviction, essentially from people's homelands.

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So I think there's there's there and that's not always working well, you know.

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So they've got to even in those countries each have their own, you know, circumstances. But it is, you know, if you support.

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The UN Charter of Human Rights, then countries have obligations to help not only their own homeless, but this large mass of people.

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And, and the altar and it's very clear they're, they're clear in their statements.

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That doesn't mean government has to Government can't pay for everything. It's really I think about thinking about a 3rd way.

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You know, you know, so I won't try to go into it more, but because I don't have the answer.

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I just know bits and pieces and we all have the answer. I just know bits and pieces and we all have bits and pieces of a way forward.

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Yeah, well.

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Okay.

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That's how I see it or of the issues. So let me stop there. But what we do have, I did wanna mention that I didn't put up the slide, but we have such a disparity between the treatment of homeowners.

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Mind you, there have been. The realtor party has been lobbying for homeownership, but only insofar as it increases the value because that's where they get their commissions from and the money they use to lobby to support what they're about.

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Okay.

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And so far in this country, a homeowner gets about 6 times as much. Benefit from their owning as a renter gets from being low income.

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Yeah.

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I mean, 6 times. That's a lot of money. And when we talk about I mean, nobody wants to be considered rich and lose some of their their wealth, but that's another piece of unfairness.

02:02:54.000 --> 02:03:01.000
I mean, Norma mentioned. I'll stop.

02:03:01.000 --> 02:03:02.000
Oh, yeah.

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Yes, it is. Yes, it is in this book. On poverty that I read recently pointed that out that all of the people that are resentful of people getting help from the government.

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They pointed out that homeowners probably get more benefits than any of people on these programs.

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That's right. Yeah, yeah. And, and I don't think we're going to get change if it's a renters versus homeowners.

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You know, so that's why I feel it's important for us to understand who's been manipulating and paying.

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Right.

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Keep a certain systems going. Cause not all homeowners want to be screwing over the poor world.

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No, I mean, that's part of my work as a tenant activist to, point out.

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Yeah.

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That for the most part homeowners and tenants are on the same side of almost every issue except perhaps.

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A few mental issues and things like that, but we all want the same things for our cities. We're not natural enemies.

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And I resent people who try to pit us against each other.

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That's a really good point. Maria, what's the book on poverty? I think it's called Poor.

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Or is it called?

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No, the one I call is poverty by America.

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Okay, there's another book.

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It's an excellent book and I recommend it to everybody.

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Okay. Thanks. Yeah, Norma's mentioning we can save the chat and thank you.

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And

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And so we are, we are officially close. We are at 3 43. So we kind of ran into our great Panthers time and I'd like to.

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YeahWill you closeOkay

 

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